alextse2

In the IMMI webpage of Migration Occupations in Demand List, there is
some columns of Computing Professional such as Computing Professional -
specialising in CISSP, Computing Professional - specialising in J2EE
and so on

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/skilled-occupations/occupations-in-demand.htm

I would like to ask, what is the meaning of Computing Professional?
Does it mean consulting? Researching in lab? If I'm working in a
private
or public sector IT department and I need to use ORACLE products
(such as DB, PL/SQL, Discoverer) and got ORACLE OCA,
and J2EE programming, do I qualify the requirement in Demand List?

Thank you for your answer.

Ws99

> In the IMMI webpage of Migration Occupations in Demand List, there is
> some columns of Computing Professional such as Computing Professional
> -
> specialising in CISSP, Computing Professional - specialising in J2EE
> and so on
>
> http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/skilled-
> occupations/occupations-in-demand.htm
>
> I would like to ask, what is the meaning of Computing Professional?
> Does it mean consulting? Researching in lab? If I'm working in a
> private
> or public sector IT department and I need to use ORACLE products
> (such as DB, PL/SQL, Discoverer) and got ORACLE OCA,
> and J2EE programming, do I qualify the requirement in Demand List?
>
> Thank you for your answer.

This website should be able to give you some more information:

http://www.acs.org.au/index.cfm?action=show&conID=skillassessment

alextse2

ws99 said:

> > In the IMMI webpage of Migration Occupations in Demand List, there is
> > some columns of Computing Professional such as Computing Professional
> > -
> > specialising in CISSP, Computing Professional - specialising in J2EE
> > and so on
> >
> > http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/skilled-
> > occupations/occupations-in-demand.htm
> >
> > I would like to ask, what is the meaning of Computing Professional?
> > Does it mean consulting? Researching in lab? If I'm working in a
> > private
> > or public sector IT department and I need to use ORACLE products
> > (such as DB, PL/SQL, Discoverer) and got ORACLE OCA,
> > and J2EE programming, do I qualify the requirement in Demand List?
> >
> > Thank you for your answer.
>
> This website should be able to give you some more information:
>
> http://www.acs.org.au/index.cfm?action=show&conID=skillassessment
>
> --


Thank you for your answer.

However, I want to save my money if the chance is low so I not yet to
lodge my skill assessment.

Anyone similar with my case and had been finished the skill assessment?
Can you tell me do my situation fulfill MODL requirement? Thank you.

Saleh_noures

> In the IMMI webpage of Migration Occupations in Demand List, there is
> some columns of Computing Professional such as Computing Professional
> -
> specialising in CISSP, Computing Professional - specialising in J2EE
> and so on
>
> http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/skilled-
> occupations/occupations-in-demand.htm
>
> I would like to ask, what is the meaning of Computing Professional?
> Does it mean consulting? Researching in lab? If I'm working in a
> private
> or public sector IT department and I need to use ORACLE products
> (such as DB, PL/SQL, Discoverer) and got ORACLE OCA,
> and J2EE programming, do I qualify the requirement in Demand List?
>
> Thank you for your answer.

hi
u can say it is matter of experience to get positive result from ASC ,
athor words u have to have at least 4 years exp. in IT field and at
least the last 12 months exp. in one of the MODL field .

Zoran

> hi
> u can say it is matter of experience to get positive result from ASC ,
> athor words u have to have at least 4 years exp. in IT field and at
> least the last 12 months exp. in one of the MODL field .

Hi alextse2,

I got a positive assessment report from ACS. I applied for System
Manager without a degree, so I had to go with RPL. I had MCSE and CCNP,
but did not know if they count these anyhow. I had 6+years of experience
in administering computer networks and systems, and had to prove it by
sending my resume and letters of recommendations from all my employers.
I know that CISSP is on the MODL list, but the cert itself does not
prove anything. As guys from Bugtraq (http://www.securityfocus.com/ who
are serious players in IT security) say, the cert is 6 miles wide and 6
feet deep. So you would need to back it up with some serious experience
in IT sec field. Something like working as a penetration tester or a
code analyzer and similar.
â�?�?Computing Professionalâ�? is a general term for those who work in IT
as professionals: developers, administrators, helpdesk, analysts,
architects, security experts and so on.
If you say â�?�?I need to use Oracleâ�? it sounds like you are a user, not
an IT expert.
If you got OCA and you have 6+ years experience working in IT as some
kind of a support guy (or you have a degree in IT and 4+ years of
experience in IT), then you would be OK with getting a positive
assessment report from ACS.
If you have programming experience, as you say ��?I got J2EE
programmingâ�? (I believe it is some kind of course or cert/diploma) and
you can prove your experience writing RPL reports where you can provide
detail explanations of â�?�?projectsâ�? or tasks you worked on, then you
will be fine.
But for MODL you should be an expert with sufficient years of experience
in the specified field, like in IT security for CISSP expert, and be
able to prove that you have practical knowledge. If you have CISSP,
Security+, CCSP, MCSE Security or similar, but you do not have several
years of experience in production environment as a dedicated security
admin or analyzer, then you cannot say you are a sec guy. The same goes
for programming in Java.

HTH and good luck.

Zoran

Saleh_noures

> Hi alextse2,
>
> I got a positive assessment report from ACS. I applied for System
> Manager without a degree, so I had to go with RPL. I had MCSE and
> CCNP, but did not know if they count these anyhow. I had 6+years of
> experience in administering computer networks and systems, and had to
> prove it by sending my resume and letters of recommendations from all
> my employers.
> I know that CISSP is on the MODL list, but the cert itself does not
> prove anything. As guys from Bugtraq (http://www.securityfocus.com/
> who are serious players in IT security) say, the cert is 6 miles wide
> and 6 feet deep. So you would need to back it up with some serious
> experience in IT sec field. Something like working as a penetration
> tester or a code analyzer and similar.
> â�?�?Computing Professionalâ�? is a general term for those who work in
> IT as professionals: developers, administrators, helpdesk, analysts,
> architects, security experts and so on.
> If you say â�?�?I need to use Oracleâ�? it sounds like you are a user,
> not an IT expert.
> If you got OCA and you have 6+ years experience working in IT as some
> kind of a support guy (or you have a degree in IT and 4+ years of
> experience in IT), then you would be OK with getting a positive
> assessment report from ACS.
> If you have programming experience, as you say ��?I got J2EE
> programmingâ�? (I believe it is some kind of course or cert/diploma)
> and you can prove your experience writing RPL reports where you can
> provide detail explanations of â�?�?projectsâ�? or tasks you worked on,
> then you will be fine.
> But for MODL you should be an expert with sufficient years of
> experience in the specified field, like in IT security for CISSP
> expert, and be able to prove that you have practical knowledge. If you
> have CISSP, Security+, CCSP, MCSE Security or similar, but you do not
> have several years of experience in production environment as a
> dedicated security admin or analyzer, then you cannot say you are a
> sec guy. The same goes for programming in Java.
>
> HTH and good luck.
>
> Zoran

hi
i plan to applay to ASC , i have BSC degree in Com. Eng. with 4
years exp.
oracle developer certified ,java certified , i want to ask about
the oracle and java certificate , should i send a certified copy or
just a copy?

Ws99

> hi
> i plan to applay to ASC , i have BSC degree in Com. Eng. with 4
> years exp.
> oracle developer certified ,java certified , i want to ask about
> the oracle and java certificate , should i send a certified copy or
> just a copy?

Everything you send needs to be a certified copy

Zoran

> Everything you send needs to be a certified copy

And translated if the original is not in English.

alextse2

Zoran Said:

> > hi
> > u can say it is matter of experience to get positive result from ASC ,
> > athor words u have to have at least 4 years exp. in IT field and at
> > least the last 12 months exp. in one of the MODL field .
>
> Hi alextse2,
>
> I got a positive assessment report from ACS. I applied for System
> Manager without a degree, so I had to go with RPL. I had MCSE and CCNP,
> but did not know if they count these anyhow. I had 6+years of experience
> in administering computer networks and systems, and had to prove it by
> sending my resume and letters of recommendations from all my employers.
> I know that CISSP is on the MODL list, but the cert itself does not
> prove anything. As guys from Bugtraq (http://www.securityfocus.com/ who
> are serious players in IT security) say, the cert is 6 miles wide and 6
> feet deep. So you would need to back it up with some serious experience
> in IT sec field. Something like working as a penetration tester or a
> code analyzer and similar.
> "Computing Professional" is a general term for those who work in IT
> as professionals: developers, administrators, helpdesk, analysts,
> architects, security experts and so on.
> If you say "I need to use Oracle" it sounds like you are a user, not
> an IT expert.

I'm not sure what is your definition of "user", I'm developer in a
company IT department and I need to perform coding of client/server
program, J2EE program and design. The system using Oracle DB
and I need to use the tools such as PL/SQL, Discoverer
and so on, does it fulfill the "Computing Professional"
requirements in MODL?

> If you got OCA and you have 6+ years experience working in IT as some
> kind of a support guy (or you have a degree in IT and 4+ years of
> experience in IT), then you would be OK with getting a positive
> assessment report from ACS.
> If you have programming experience, as you say "I got J2EE
> programming" (I believe it is some kind of course or cert/diploma) and
> you can prove your experience writing RPL reports where you can provide
> detail explanations of "projects" or tasks you worked on, then you
> will be fine.

If the skill set had been written in the letter but no project had been
mentioned, does it be an evidence to proven my working experience?

> But for MODL you should be an expert with sufficient years of experience
> in the specified field, like in IT security for CISSP expert, and be
> able to prove that you have practical knowledge. If you have CISSP,
> Security+, CCSP, MCSE Security or similar, but you do not have several
> years of experience in production environment as a dedicated security
> admin or analyzer, then you cannot say you are a sec guy. The same goes
> for programming in Java.
>

I have degree and 4+ years in IT, but my concern is on MODL, because I
only got 110 marks if I dont have MODL points and I cant migrate to
Australia because I dont granted any support by Australia regional
government and Australia employer.

What's your opinion? Do you think I can get MODL points or not? Thank
you!

> HTH and good luck.
>
> Zoran
>
> --


Thank you for your kindly reply.

Zoran

> Zoran Said:
>
> > > hi
> > > u can say it is matter of experience to get positive result from
> > > ASC ,
> > > athor words u have to have at least 4 years exp. in IT field and
> > > at
> > > least the last 12 months exp. in one of the MODL field .
> > Hi alextse2,
> > I got a positive assessment report from ACS. I applied for System
> > Manager without a degree, so I had to go with RPL. I had MCSE and
> > CCNP,
> > but did not know if they count these anyhow. I had 6+years of
> > experience
> > in administering computer networks and systems, and had to prove it
> > by
> > sending my resume and letters of recommendations from all my
> > employers.
> > I know that CISSP is on the MODL list, but the cert itself does not
> > prove anything. As guys from Bugtraq (http://www.securityfocus.com/
> > who
> > are serious players in IT security) say, the cert is 6 miles wide
> > and 6
> > feet deep. So you would need to back it up with some serious
> > experience
> > in IT sec field. Something like working as a penetration tester or a
> > code analyzer and similar.
> > "Computing Professional" is a general term for those who work in IT
> > as professionals: developers, administrators, helpdesk, analysts,
> > architects, security experts and so on.
> > If you say "I need to use Oracle" it sounds like you are a user, not
> > an IT expert.
>
> I'm not sure what is your definition of "user", I'm developer in a
> company IT department and I need to perform coding of client/server
> program, J2EE program and design. The system using Oracle DB
> and I need to use the tools such as PL/SQL, Discoverer
> and so on, does it fulfill the "Computing Professional"
> requirements in MODL?
>
> > If you got OCA and you have 6+ years experience working in IT as
> > some
> > kind of a support guy (or you have a degree in IT and 4+ years of
> > experience in IT), then you would be OK with getting a positive
> > assessment report from ACS.
> > If you have programming experience, as you say "I got J2EE
> > programming" (I believe it is some kind of course or cert/diploma)
> > and
> > you can prove your experience writing RPL reports where you can
> > provide
> > detail explanations of "projects" or tasks you worked on, then you
> > will be fine.
>
> If the skill set had been written in the letter but no project had
> been
> mentioned, does it be an evidence to proven my working experience?
>
> > But for MODL you should be an expert with sufficient years of
> > experience
> > in the specified field, like in IT security for CISSP expert, and be
> > able to prove that you have practical knowledge. If you have CISSP,
> > Security+, CCSP, MCSE Security or similar, but you do not have
> > several
> > years of experience in production environment as a dedicated
> > security
> > admin or analyzer, then you cannot say you are a sec guy. The same
> > goes
> > for programming in Java.
>
> I have degree and 4+ years in IT, but my concern is on MODL, because I
> only got 110 marks if I dont have MODL points and I cant migrate to
> Australia because I dont granted any support by Australia regional
> government and Australia employer.
>
> What's your opinion? Do you think I can get MODL points or not? Thank
> you!
>
> > HTH and good luck.
> > Zoran
> > --
>
>
> Thank you for your kindly reply.

Alextse2,

You wrote â�?�?I use Oracle productsâ�?. A user is an employee who uses
Information System products (components) in order to do his/her job,
like a data entry or similar. I do not use MS Exchange server, I
configure, monitor and administer it for my users. That is what I meant.

The whole immigration procedure is rather vague and tricky. That��?s why
it is difficult to tell if someone is eligible for MODL points or
anything else. I got my CO last week and she told me that I am not
qualified for â�?�?Community Languages bonus pointsâ�? because I have no
degree for which classes were held in that language. But I am a native
speaker, and according to their rules, a foreign student who studied
something for 3 years in my mother tongue and gained a degree is
qualified, but I am not?! Also, I do have informal education that is
equal to 3-yaer degree (probably even higher) which was confirmed by
ACS, but obviously they do not count it in this case. Now they offered
me to go for a NAATI test that is designed for professional translators,
which I am not, or to go to the pool with 115 points. BTW, NAATI brings
60 points itself, plus 5 bonus points?! Weird, but what can we do.

A good thing is that Network Security admin appeared on MODL and now I
could go for reassessment with ACS and claim bonus points for it.

I also did not know that MCSE is counted as a degree by ACS so I paid
the RPL processing price, had to fill out an RPL form for skills
matching and write 2 project reports, which took me days and a lot of
nerves. They have never told me that I did not need to do that. They
just sent me a positive report. I realized this several months later
reading posts on Au immi forums.
In your case I would say that if you do not ask for MODL recognition,
than they won��?t give you one.

Computing Professional is a general term and, if you work in IT, then
you are CP. Here is an old definition of it http://tinyurl.com/ycc65c ,
but I believe it is still correct, apart from years of relevant
experience, which is now 6 for the â�?�?orâ�? option.
The second part of these titles is what matters for MODL.

You can see from these posts that in order to be recognized as one of
the MODL professionals, you need to have work experience in one of the
listed professions.
http://tinyurl.com/yk6mm9
http://tinyurl.com/y9hnuw
http://tinyurl.com/ycz557

So, this is how I see it:
If you have a degree in IT and 4+ years experience in IT, then you
should be recognized as some kind of Computer Professional. Which one,
depends on what have you been working on. I believe, you should go as a
developer (Computing Professionals ��? Applications and Analyst
Programmer 2231-17).
This would be without going for MODL points. If you want MODL points,
and you worked as a Java and Oracle developer/admin for at least 12
months (I found these â�?�?12 monthsâ�? mentioned on forums only) you
should be eligible to go for one of these:
Computing Professional - specialising in Java - 2231-79
Computing Professional - specialising in J2EE - 2231-79
Computing Professional - specialising in Oracle - 2231-79

Which one to choose? Probably the one for which you have the strongest
skills and most work experience.

I think you cannot go just with â�?�?skills setâ�? (the â�?�?letterâ�? is
called â�?�?project reportâ�?), but you are not required to describe real
projects. I had the very same problem. In my IT career (7+ years), I
have been working as a full-time admin at 4 companies whose businesses
were not IT related. So I simply described what I did there, like
implementation and administration of email systems, implementation and
administration of security systems and protocols (software patching
systems, antivirus enterprise systems, PIX firewalls, ISA firewalls, dot
1x protocol, IPsec), scripting, troubleshooting and so on. You could do
the same. Explain in details about what you did in J2EE and Oracle,
anyway their ASCO is the same (2231-79), write about what you did in
PL/SQL and Discoverer, describe "coding of client/server program" and I
think you would be fine.


Wish you luck.

Zoran