Techno Freak

Hello All,

I have only just sent off my CDR to IEAUST but we need to get the rest
of our application together before the results come back as I am 30 soon
and we can't afford to lose the points.

We are about to send off Emma's certs to VETASSESS to get the bonus
points for spouse skills, She will apply as an Industrial Relations
officer - 50 points.

I am sure I read somewhere that Masters degrees are not counted for
VETASSESS? I have scoured the forum but can't find it again.

The problem is, Emma has a bachelors degree in economics. She has the
certificate but no transcripts. We wrote to the university and they only
have a copy of the third year transcript - nothing for years 1 & 2.

But, Emma went on to study law and did a post grad diploma in law, which
she has the transcript for.

After working as an employment law specialist for many years she decided
to do an MBA, which she finished last year. So, she now also has a
Masters degree for which we do have the transcripts and cert for.

So, would the post grad and masters be enough for a positive assessment
for a 05 pointer, or would the bachelors degree be the important one?

We would send all the certs off anyway, including the bachelors with a
cover letter about the missing transcripts and a letter from the
university saying they cant find them.

Anyone out there had a positive 50 point VETASSESS purely on a
masters degree?

Thanks for reading.

It may all be academic anyway as if IEAUST decide to assess me as
an associate rather that a technologist we wont get enough points
to get in.

orange&

> Hello All,
>
> I have only just sent off my CDR to IEAUST but we need to get the rest
> of our application together before the results come back as I am 30
> soon and we can't afford to lose the points.
>
> We are about to send off Emma's certs to VETASSESS to get the bonus
> points for spouse skills, She will apply as an Industrial Relations
> officer - 50 points.
>
> I am sure I read somewhere that Masters degrees are not counted for
> VETASSESS? I have scoured the forum but can't find it again.
>
> The problem is, Emma has a bachelors degree in economics. She has
> the certificate but no transcripts. We wrote to the university and
> they only have a copy of the third year transcript - nothing for
> years 1 & 2.
>
> But, Emma went on to study law and did a post grad diploma in law,
> which she has the transcript for.
>
> After working as an employment law specialist for many years she
> decided to do an MBA, which she finished last year. So, she now
> also has a Masters degree for which we do have the transcripts and
> cert for.
>
> So, would the post grad and masters be enough for a positive
> assessment for a 05 pointer, or would the bachelors degree be the
> important one?
>
> We would send all the certs off anyway, including the bachelors with a
> cover letter about the missing transcripts and a letter from the
> university saying they cant find them.
>
> Anyone out there had a positive 50 point VETASSESS purely on a
> masters degree?
>
> Thanks for reading.
>
> It may all be academic anyway as if IEAUST decide to assess me as
> an associate rather that a technologist we wont get enough points
> to get in.

Hi there,

I sent in certificates and transcripts for both my undergraduate and
masters degrees, but the assessment was based entirely on the
undergraduate degree. I'm not sure what to advise re: the transcripts.
They do seem to be a necessary part of the vetting process. Is there any
way that your partner could approach her old school/department direct
and see if the administration there have records of past students and
could provide something on letter headed paper? Just a suggestion -
others may know the rules better.

JAJ

> Hi there,
>
> I sent in certificates and transcripts for both my undergraduate and
> masters degrees, but the assessment was based entirely on the
> undergraduate degree. I'm not sure what to advise re: the transcripts.
> They do seem to be a necessary part of the vetting process. Is there
> any way that your partner could approach her old school/department
> direct and see if the administration there have records of past
> students and could provide something on letter headed paper? Just a
> suggestion - others may know the rules better.

I am not aware of any specific rule to the effect that Vetassess won't
look at a Masters degree.

I'd suggest you apply using *both* degrees. As for the transcript, if
the university really have destroyed records (sounds incredible - don't
they *know* that former students may need this information many years
later?) get a letter from them to that effect.

Incidentally if these spouse skill points are important, you probably
need professional advice as since part of her training is in a regulated
occupation (law) there is a risk DIMIA may invoke Regulation 2.27B to
change the nominated occupation to solicitor, for which getting a skill
assessment would be much harder. Find a good migration agent who
understands this issue (a lot of agents don't).

Jeremy

Techno Freak

> I am not aware of any specific rule to the effect that Vetassess won't
> look at a Masters degree.
>
> I'd suggest you apply using *both* degrees. As for the transcript, if
> the university really have destroyed records (sounds incredible -
> don't they *know* that former students may need this information many
> years later?) get a letter from them to that effect.
>
> Incidentally if these spouse skill points are important, you probably
> need professional advice as since part of her training is in a
> regulated occupation (law) there is a risk DIMIA may invoke Regulation
> 2.27B to change the nominated occupation to solicitor, for which
> getting a skill assessment would be much harder. Find a good
> migration agent who understands this issue (a lot of agents don't).
>
> Jeremy

Thanks all....

I don't see why they wouldn't use a masters degree, it's just that I am
sure I had seen a post a while back that said VETASSESS would only
assess based on bachelors degrees, not post grads or masters??? I have
e-mail VETASSESS with an outline of what we have and will wait and see
what they say.

JAJ - I will look into the legal thing, although I suspect all will be
well as you don't need to be a solicitor or licensed to work as an
industrial relations officer here or in Aus. Although Emma has a post
grad in law and has completed the legal practice course, she does not
have her articles so is not a solicitor.

I will see if I can hunt out the clause you mentioned and see
what it says.

Thanks,

Tony.

Techno Freak

> Hello All,
>
> I have only just sent off my CDR to IEAUST but we need to get the rest
> of our application together before the results come back as I am 30
> soon and we can't afford to lose the points.
>
> We are about to send off Emma's certs to VETASSESS to get the bonus
> points for spouse skills, She will apply as an Industrial Relations
> officer - 50 points.
>
> I am sure I read somewhere that Masters degrees are not counted for
> VETASSESS? I have scoured the forum but can't find it again.
>
> The problem is, Emma has a bachelors degree in economics. She has
> the certificate but no transcripts. We wrote to the university and
> they only have a copy of the third year transcript - nothing for
> years 1 & 2.
>
> But, Emma went on to study law and did a post grad diploma in law,
> which she has the transcript for.
>
> After working as an employment law specialist for many years she
> decided to do an MBA, which she finished last year. So, she now
> also has a Masters degree for which we do have the transcripts and
> cert for.
>
> So, would the post grad and masters be enough for a positive
> assessment for a 05 pointer, or would the bachelors degree be the
> important one?
>
> We would send all the certs off anyway, including the bachelors with a
> cover letter about the missing transcripts and a letter from the
> university saying they cant find them.
>
> Anyone out there had a positive 50 point VETASSESS purely on a
> masters degree?
>
> Thanks for reading.
>
> It may all be academic anyway as if IEAUST decide to assess me as
> an associate rather that a technologist we wont get enough points
> to get in.

JAJ - I have just been doing a bit of swatting up on clause 2.27B, thats
a sneaky bugger.

Is it DIMIA or VETASSESS that potentially invoke the clause?

The reason I ask is that when apply to VETASSESS you only send the
qualifications so there would be no CV sent which would show that Emma
is not a solicitor. So, if VETASSESS invoke clause 2.27 we would be
snookered.

However, it's not so bad if it's up to DIMIA as we would have been
assessed as Industrial Relations Officer thereby at least allowing us to
apply for the visa. Then, the visa application would show Emma's
employment history which would back up the Industrial Relations Officer,
( as thats what she is, and has been for the last 7 years ), and also
show that she does not have her articles. It would not be in DIMIA's
interest to knock back the assessment as they would be turning down an
applicant that they want the skills of and insist on re-assessment under
something that they know would come back negative.

So, the major possibility of a problem is if the invoking of clause
2.27B lies with VETASSESS as we couldn't even get to the DIMIA stage
without first getting a positive assessment in something from VETASSESS.

Hmmm, interesting.

JAJ

> JAJ - I have just been doing a bit of swatting up on clause 2.27B,
> thats a sneaky bugger.
>
> Is it DIMIA or VETASSESS that potentially invoke the clause?
>
> The reason I ask is that when apply to VETASSESS you only send the
> qualifications so there would be no CV sent which would show that Emma
> is not a solicitor. So, if VETASSESS invoke clause 2.27 we would be
> snookered.
>
> However, it's not so bad if it's up to DIMIA as we would have been
> assessed as Industrial Relations Officer thereby at least allowing us
> to apply for the visa. Then, the visa application would show Emma's
> employment history which would back up the Industrial Relations
> Officer, ( as thats what she is, and has been for the last 7 years ),
> and also show that she does not have her articles. It would not be in
> DIMIA's interest to knock back the assessment as they would be turning
> down an applicant that they want the skills of and insist on re-
> assessment under something that they know would come back negative.
>
> So, the major possibility of a problem is if the invoking of clause
> 2.27B lies with VETASSESS as we couldn't even get to the DIMIA stage
> without first getting a positive assessment in something from
> VETASSESS.
>
> Hmmm, interesting.

DIMIA. Not Vetassess.

Vetassess will issue a positive assessment for a 50 point occupation
with a degree in *any* subject that's equivalent to an Australian
bachelors. So for an occupation like Personnel Officer you can use a
degree in law, mathematics, medicine, architecture - anything.





People liable to Reg 2.27B are those who have had all their skills and
training in a registrable occupation, and have no work experience or
training in a non-registrable skilled occupation.

But for this, an overseas dentist, lawyer or architect (for example)
could get a skill assessment in a 50 point occupation and migrate on
that basis (eg if sponsored), but would not be employable in any skilled
occupation in Australia.

Hence DIMIA have a special right to insist the applicant get skill
assessed by a different authority, and refuse the applicant otherwise.

Reg 2.27B would be less likely to apply to (for example) a lawyer who
has moved into Personnel and is clearly employable in that area. But
you will probably need a good agent to explain all this to a DIMIA
case officer.

Also note that Reg 2.27B does not affect the following occupations:
- accountants
- IT practitioners
- senior managers
- engineers

Although DIMIA can still refuse an application if they don't believe the
work is really 'skilled' (this is happening a lot).


Jeremy

Techno Freak

> DIMIA. Not Vetassess.
>
> Vetassess will issue a positive assessment for a 50 point occupation
> with a degree in *any* subject that's equivalent to an Australian
> bachelors. So for an occupation like Personnel Officer you can use a
> degree in law, mathematics, medicine, architecture - anything.
>
>
>
>
>
> People liable to Reg 2.27B are those who have had all their skills and
> training in a registrable occupation, and have no work experience or
> training in a non-registrable skilled occupation.
>
> But for this, an overseas dentist, lawyer or architect (for example)
> could get a skill assessment in a 50 point occupation and migrate on
> that basis (eg if sponsored), but would not be employable in any
> skilled occupation in Australia.
>
> Hence DIMIA have a special right to insist the applicant get skill
> assessed by a different authority, and refuse the applicant otherwise.
>
> Reg 2.27B would be less likely to apply to (for example) a lawyer who
> has moved into Personnel and is clearly employable in that area. But
> you will probably need a good agent to explain all this to a DIMIA
> case officer.
>
> Also note that Reg 2.27B does not affect the following occupations:
> - accountants
> - IT practitioners
> - senior managers
> - engineers
>
> Although DIMIA can still refuse an application if they don't believe
> the work is really 'skilled' (this is happening a lot).
>
>
> Jeremy

I think that makes sense.

I take it that it is a regulation invented to try and cut any dubious
applications through VETASSESS. It does seem a little unfair that any
degree in anything can get you a positive assessment so long as your
occupation falls under VETASSESS.

In Emma's case I should think all would be well as Industrial Relations
is a skilled area and she has over 7 years full time employment
experience to back this up.

Fingers crossed anyway.

Thanks......