Shadowboxer

Hi everyone,

I was wondering if anybody knows whether a request for an
update of automated status on the USCIS system might automatically
generate a paper copy of an approval notice.

Background: Just talked to
the No-Customer-Service Representative of USCIS regarding an NOA2 from
VSC which my ficance/husband never received (and which was never updated
online either). As expected, I was told that the only way to go is
filing an I-824. When I insisted on not wanting to re-apply for
something that was never received in the first place, she cut me off
with the words that in this case the petitioner should request an update
of the automated status.

Does anyone have a suggestion about whether it
is worth the effort to request this update?

Thank you in advance- and
good luck to all!

Rebecca.

Lpdiver

I am K-3. I never received my NOA 2 for the I-129f. I went ahead and
borught my wife here and have not found the need tor it yet. however,
you do need the first noa's at later points in the process.

I seem to
recall being told that they will not reissue the noa 2 anyway.


Originally posted by shadowboxer
    > Hi everyone,
    >
    > I
was wondering if anybody knows whether a request for an update of
automated status on the USCIS system might automatically generate a
paper copy of an approval notice.
    >
    > Background: Just talked to the
No-Customer-Service Representative of USCIS regarding an NOA2 from VSC
which my ficance/husband never received (and which was never updated
online either). As expected, I was told that the only way to go is
filing an I-824. When I insisted on not wanting to re-apply for
something that was never received in the first place, she cut me off
with the words that in this case the petitioner should request an update
of the automated status.
    >
    > Does anyone have a suggestion about
whether it is worth the effort to request this update?
    >
    > Thank you
in advance- and good luck to all!
    >
Rebecca.

SecretGarden

Originally posted by lpdiver
    > I am K-3. I never received
my NOA 2 for the I-129f. I went ahead and borught my wife here and have
not found the need tor it yet. however, you do need the first noa's at
later points in the process.
    >
    > I seem to recall being told that they
will not reissue the noa 2 anyway.

Actually, Tony, I think
it's the second NOA that you need to file for AOS as it shows that the
original petition was approved. That's what we sent in for Mr. P's AOS
application.

Rebecca, I know that JEff (jeffreyhy) has the same issue
as you do---no second NOA ever appeared. Maybe you could do a search
for posts by him on the subject. I can't remember how he is going about
solving the problem, but you may be able to get some information from
his situation.

~SecretGarden
P.S. Welcome back! :)

Lpdiver

Thanks for the heads up. The info line said they would not resend the
second NOA. It is updated online though and it would seem logical that
the K-3 visa in the passport should count for something. But I know
don't count on logic and reason when dealing with the USCIS.



Originally posted by SecretGarden
    > Actually, Tony, I
think it's the second NOA that you need to file for AOS as it shows that
the original petition was approved. That's what we sent in for Mr. P's
AOS application.
    >
    > Rebecca, I know that JEff (jeffreyhy) has the
same issue as you do---no second NOA ever appeared. Maybe you could do
a search for posts by him on the subject. I can't remember how he is
going about solving the problem, but you may be able to get some
information from his situation.
    >
    > ~SecretGarden
P.S. Welcome back!
    :)

SecretGarden

Originally posted by lpdiver
    > Thanks for the heads up.
The info line said they would not resend the second NOA. It is updated
online though and it would seem logical that the K-3 visa in the
passport should count for something. But I know don't count on logic and
reason when dealing with the USCIS.

Ok, going from memory
here.....

The directions for K1 asked for the "petition approval
notice", which would be the second NOA. I see what you mean about it
being obvious that when a visa is issued it is on the basis of some type
of approved petition, but the AOS directions wanted that approval
document specifically. Luckily we did receive one and sent a copy of
it.

If you can't get a copy of it I guess I would send in a printout
of the case status page showing the approval. I would also point out in
my cover letter that the second NOA was never received in the mail.

~SG

Jeffreyhy

SG, Rebecca, and Tony,

I am wrestling with this right now - today -
trying to beat the fee increase. I still do not have an NOA #2 for my
I-129f petition for spouse from the NBC. The Status Online still says
that the decision is pending. But....

The new Status Online setup
gives some interesting information when one creates a customer account.
I find that my status was last updated on 23 December 2003. The NVC
told me that my petition was approved on 22 December. This may be just
a coincidence, but I suspect that when the USCIS-NBC updated my case
status they did so incorrectly. I suspect that they went into my record
but did not in fact enter, or save, the new information. I further
suspect that as a result the 'signal' to print the NOA (and the 'signal'
to change the Status Online) was not sent and that is why I never
received an NOA.

What to do about it? Well, I have twice had the
National Customer dis-Service Center (aka the USCIS Firewall) make
inquiries, neither of which has been responded to, and I am out of time.
I plan to send a copy of my NVC notice with the above explanation in
lieu of the NOA #2. I will report what happens.

Regards, JEff


Originally posted by SecretGarden
    > Actually, Tony, I
think it's the second NOA that you need to file for AOS as it shows that
the original petition was approved. That's what we sent in for Mr. P's
AOS application.
    >
    > Rebecca, I know that JEff (jeffreyhy) has the
same issue as you do---no second NOA ever appeared. Maybe you could do
a search for posts by him on the subject. I can't remember how he is
going about solving the problem, but you may be able to get some
information from his situation.
    >
    > ~SecretGarden
P.S. Welcome back!
    :)

Shadowboxer

Originally posted by SecretGarden
    >
    > P.S. Welcome
back! :)

Has been a long time- and a long way ;). But sooo
good to be back in here!

Thank you so much for welcome and advice! And
good luck to you and Mr. P.

Rebecca.

Shadowboxer

Originally posted by jeffreyhy
    > SG, Rebecca, and Tony,

    >
    > I am wrestling with this right now - today - trying to beat the
fee increase. I still do not have an NOA #2 for my I-129f petition for
spouse from the NBC. The Status Online still says that the decision is
pending. But....
    >
    > The new Status Online setup gives some
interesting information when one creates a customer account. I find
that my status was last updated on 23 December 2003. The NVC told me
that my petition was approved on 22 December. This may be just a
coincidence, but I suspect that when the USCIS-NBC updated my case
status they did so incorrectly. I suspect that they went into my
record but did not in fact enter, or save, the new information. I
further suspect that as a result the 'signal' to print the NOA (and the
'signal' to change the Status Online) was not sent and that is why I
never received an NOA.
    >
    > What to do about it? Well, I have twice
had the National Customer dis-Service Center (aka the USCIS Firewall)
make inquiries, neither of which has been responded to, and I am out of
time. I plan to send a copy of my NVC notice with the above
explanation in lieu of the NOA #2. I will report what happens.
    >
Regards, JEff

Hi JEff,

I did the exact same thing about
the NVC letter in lieu of NOA2. I did this as a walk-in at the Boston
Office. My officer was very understanding, yet he indicated that I
would at least have to bring proof for the fact that we made effort to
get a duplicate NOA2 to the interview.

My documentation was accepted
at this stage... Yet, the interview is coming near (and I have
procrastinated as usual!) and I don't feel like gambling about this
issue any more.

Good luck,

Rebecca.

Eric S.

We have the same problem. I never received an NOA2 after our I-129F for the
K-1 was approved. I called the (no) help line a couple of times and they
told me the same as you: the only way to get it was to submit the form (with
$100-plus fee!) to get a duplicate. One woman said she would email VSC
(where we sent the petition) to ask them to issue the NOA2. She told me to
write a letter to VSC to follow up, which I did. I never heard anything
back from that. Another person told me I could maybe complain to the
district director at VSC, so I wrote him/her a letter also. Never heard
anything back.

Our online status was also never updated to show the petition was approved.
So my theory about what happened was pretty much the same as Jeff's. That
their system was never properly updated to reflect the approved submission.
And therefore the online status wasn't updated and no NOA2 was generated. I
posted about this a month or so ago and Matt Udall replied saying that my
theory may not necessarily be right, because they use 2 different systems to
generate the NOAs and to update the online status. Who knows.

We were married a couple of weeks ago and turned in the AOS package (at
Boston, coincidentally). We enclosed a copy of the letter from NVC saying
they received the approved submission, a copy of the online status page, and
an explanation about not receiving the NOA2. I didn't enclose the letters I
wrote to VSC. But I'll make sure to bring them to the interview.
Hopefully, we won't have a problem. It's encouraging to know that the
Boston officer you spoke to was sympathetic.

Two things really bug me about the requirement for the NOA2 in K-1 AOS.

1. Why do they even need it? You would think the fact the the fiance has
the K-1 visa would be enough .

2. Why do they need US to provide proof of something THEY did??

Anyway, I'm hoping for the best. We just received the NOAs for the I-485,
I-131, and I-765, so that's good. Please let us know what happens at your
interview. Do you have it scheduled yet?

- Eric S.


"shadowboxer" <member22943@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:...
    > Hi JEff,
    > I did the exact same thing about
    > the NVC letter in lieu of NOA2. I did this as a walk-in at the Boston
    > Office. My officer was very understanding, yet he indicated that I
    > would at least have to bring proof for the fact that we made effort to
    > get a duplicate NOA2 to the interview.
    > My documentation was accepted
    > at this stage... Yet, the interview is coming near (and I have
    > procrastinated as usual!) and I don't feel like gambling about this
    > issue any more.
    > Good luck,
    > Rebecca.
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Shadowboxer

Originally posted by Eric S.
    > We have the same problem.
I never received an NOA2 after our I-129F for the
    > K-1 was approved. I
called the (no) help line a couple of times and they
    > told me the same
as you: the only way to get it was to submit the form (with
    > $100-plus
fee!) to get a duplicate. One woman said she would email VSC
    > (where
we sent the petition) to ask them to issue the NOA2. She told me to
write a letter to VSC to follow up, which I did. I never heard anything

    > back from that. Another person told me I could maybe complain to the

    > district director at VSC, so I wrote him/her a letter also. Never
heard
    > anything back.
    >
    > Our online status was also never updated to
show the petition was approved.
    > So my theory about what happened was
pretty much the same as Jeff's. That
    > their system was never properly
updated to reflect the approved submission.
    > And therefore the online
status wasn't updated and no NOA2 was generated. I
    > posted about this
a month or so ago and Matt Udall replied saying that my
    > theory may not
necessarily be right, because they use 2 different systems to
    > generate
the NOAs and to update the online status. Who knows.
    >
    > We were
married a couple of weeks ago and turned in the AOS package (at
Boston, coincidentally). We enclosed a copy of the letter from NVC
saying
    > they received the approved submission, a copy of the online
status page, and
    > an explanation about not receiving the NOA2. I
didn't enclose the letters I
    > wrote to VSC. But I'll make sure to
bring them to the interview.
    > Hopefully, we won't have a problem. It's
encouraging to know that the
    > Boston officer you spoke to was
sympathetic.
    >
    > Two things really bug me about the requirement for the
NOA2 in K-1 AOS.
    >
    > 1. Why do they even need it? You would think the
fact the the fiance has
    > the K-1 visa would be enough .
    >
    > 2. Why do
they need US to provide proof of something THEY did??
    >
    > Anyway, I'm
hoping for the best. We just received the NOAs for the I-485,
    > I-131,
and I-765, so that's good. Please let us know what happens at your
interview. Do you have it scheduled yet?
    >
    > - Eric S.
    >
    >
"shadowboxer" <member22943@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > -
"news:"]news:1392945.1083163624@bri-
tishexpats.com[/url]...
    > > Hi JEff,
    > > I did the exact
same thing about
    > > the NVC letter in lieu of NOA2. I did this
as a walk-in at the Boston
    > > Office. My officer was very
understanding, yet he indicated that I
    > > would at least have
to bring proof for the fact that we made effort to
    > > get a
duplicate NOA2 to the interview.
    > > My documentation was
accepted
    > > at this stage... Yet, the interview is coming near
(and I have
    > > procrastinated as usual!) and I don't feel like
gambling about this
    > > issue any more.
    > > Good
luck,
    > > Rebecca.
    > > --
    > > Posted via
http://britishexpats.com/http://britishexpats.com


Hi Eric,

Our interview is scheduled for July 15...

I will
keep you posted on the outcome!

Rebecca.