Sylviabrowne

The President
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20500
To: Mr. President:
Please withdraw your support for efforts to give amnesty to illegal
aliens.

Secretary of State Colin Powell said in Mexico that we could move
forward on an amnesty because we have made progress on securing out
borders. What progress?

The number of illegal crossers keeps growing. Over one million people
were apprehended in 2003. Illegal aliens from Mexico accounted for 92
percent but the remaining eight percent were foreign nationals from
192 countries!

Any guest worker proposal that gives legal status to those who came
here illegally is an amnesty. This is a reward for those who broke our
laws and punishment for the millions of legal immigrants who followed
the rules. That is why Americans overwhelmingly oppose amnesty
programs.

Each offer of amnesty encourages even more illegal immigration. That
is why illegal immigration increased significantly after you made your
proposal.

The words of former President Ronald Reagan are still true today:
"America has lost control of its own borders. No nation can do that
and survive." Reagan later publicly conceded that the 1986 amnesty was
the worst decision of his presidency.

It is time to show leadership and stop illegal immigration.



Please withdraw your support for efforts to give amnesty to illegal
aliens.

Jimmy

(sylviabrowne) wrote in message news:<>...
    > The President
    > The White House
    > 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
    > Washington, DC 20500
    > To: Mr. President:
    > Please withdraw your support for efforts to give amnesty to illegal
    > aliens.
    >
    > Secretary of State Colin Powell said in Mexico that we could move
    > forward on an amnesty because we have made progress on securing out
    > borders. What progress?
    >
    > The number of illegal crossers keeps growing. Over one million people
    > were apprehended in 2003. Illegal aliens from Mexico accounted for 92
    > percent but the remaining eight percent were foreign nationals from
    > 192 countries!
    >
    > Any guest worker proposal that gives legal status to those who came
    > here illegally is an amnesty. This is a reward for those who broke our
    > laws and punishment for the millions of legal immigrants who followed
    > the rules. That is why Americans overwhelmingly oppose amnesty
    > programs.
    >
    > Each offer of amnesty encourages even more illegal immigration. That
    > is why illegal immigration increased significantly after you made your
    > proposal.
    >
    > The words of former President Ronald Reagan are still true today:
    > "America has lost control of its own borders. No nation can do that
    > and survive." Reagan later publicly conceded that the 1986 amnesty was
    > the worst decision of his presidency.
    >
    > It is time to show leadership and stop illegal immigration.
    >
    >
    >
    > Please withdraw your support for efforts to give amnesty to illegal
    > aliens.

Wait just a minute! First I just would like to know why you have
interest on banning amnesty to illegal aliens? First, Although I am
not a Mexican, but a South American (some people couldn't really tell
the difference)I am concerned that you are putting a strong emphasis
on this subject without giving a good reason? Let me tell you about
the amnesty act that was passed in 1988 by you know who? Yes, Ronald
Reagan.
The reason for this amnesty to take place was because at the time in
California there was not one soul who wanted to pick grapes for $ 2 an
hour, but you know what? Mexicans did. At the same time in Florida,
oranges, in Washington State, apples and so on...
Honestly, I can see were you are coming from with your comments due to
the overpopulation of Mexicans in the country. But in reality I don't
think you or anyone you know would want to do that type of job for a
whopping $ 4 an hour (a good pay rise huh!). Directly, this people are
putting your everyday food in your table and in mine and at the same
time helping the economy in this area. Honestly, even I would want to
work for $ 40 for a sun-up to a sundown shift on anything! (12 hours
of work per day).

Madeira

Here's ONE answer out of many that I could give.

Illegals cost us $10 billion (yes, BILLION) dollars a year, just in
Federal money.

I will gladly pay higher prices for my fruits and vegetables if all
illegals would leave now. With or without our government's
intervention.

Take a look at these press realeases for many, many other reasons:

http://www.fairus.org/Media/MediaList.cfm?c=34


(Jimmy) wrote in message news:<>...
    > (sylviabrowne) wrote in message news:<>...
    > > The President
    > > The White House
    > > 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
    > > Washington, DC 20500
    > > To: Mr. President:
    > > Please withdraw your support for efforts to give amnesty to illegal
    > > aliens.
    > >
    > > Secretary of State Colin Powell said in Mexico that we could move
    > > forward on an amnesty because we have made progress on securing out
    > > borders. What progress?
    > >
    > > The number of illegal crossers keeps growing. Over one million people
    > > were apprehended in 2003. Illegal aliens from Mexico accounted for 92
    > > percent but the remaining eight percent were foreign nationals from

    > > 192 countries!
    > >
    > > Any guest worker proposal that gives legal status to those who came
    > > here illegally is an amnesty. This is a reward for those who broke our
    > > laws and punishment for the millions of legal immigrants who followed
    > > the rules. That is why Americans overwhelmingly oppose amnesty
    > > programs.
    > >
    > > Each offer of amnesty encourages even more illegal immigration. That
    > > is why illegal immigration increased significantly after you made your
    > > proposal.
    > >
    > > The words of former President Ronald Reagan are still true today:
    > > "America has lost control of its own borders. No nation can do that
    > > and survive." Reagan later publicly conceded that the 1986 amnesty was
    > > the worst decision of his presidency.
    > >
    > > It is time to show leadership and stop illegal immigration.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Please withdraw your support for efforts to give amnesty to illegal
    > > aliens.
    >
    > Wait just a minute! First I just would like to know why you have
    > interest on banning amnesty to illegal aliens? First, Although I am
    > not a Mexican, but a South American (some people couldn't really tell
    > the difference)I am concerned that you are putting a strong emphasis
    > on this subject without giving a good reason? Let me tell you about
    > the amnesty act that was passed in 1988 by you know who? Yes, Ronald
    > Reagan.
    > The reason for this amnesty to take place was because at the time in
    > California there was not one soul who wanted to pick grapes for $ 2 an
    > hour, but you know what? Mexicans did. At the same time in Florida,
    > oranges, in Washington State, apples and so on...
    > Honestly, I can see were you are coming from with your comments due to
    > the overpopulation of Mexicans in the country. But in reality I don't
    > think you or anyone you know would want to do that type of job for a
    > whopping $ 4 an hour (a good pay rise huh!). Directly, this people are
    > putting your everyday food in your table and in mine and at the same
    > time helping the economy in this area. Honestly, even I would want to
    > work for $ 40 for a sun-up to a sundown shift on anything! (12 hours
    > of work per day).

Socialism is a Mental Disease

On 13 Nov 2004 12:11:43 -0800, (Madeira) wrote:
    >Illegals cost us $10 billion (yes, BILLION) dollars a year, just in
    >Federal money.

There's no reason for this to be the way it is. Eliminate social
problems and this cost will disappear overnight.

Oliver Costich

On 11 Nov 2004 12:22:41 -0800, (Jimmy) wrote:

    > (sylviabrowne) wrote in message news:<>...
    >> The President
    >> The White House
    >> 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
    >> Washington, DC 20500
    >> To: Mr. President:
    >> Please withdraw your support for efforts to give amnesty to illegal
    >> aliens.
    >>
    >> Secretary of State Colin Powell said in Mexico that we could move
    >> forward on an amnesty because we have made progress on securing out
    >> borders. What progress?
    >>
    >> The number of illegal crossers keeps growing. Over one million people
    >> were apprehended in 2003. Illegal aliens from Mexico accounted for 92
    >> percent but the remaining eight percent were foreign nationals from
    >> 192 countries!
    >>
    >> Any guest worker proposal that gives legal status to those who came
    >> here illegally is an amnesty. This is a reward for those who broke our
    >> laws and punishment for the millions of legal immigrants who followed
    >> the rules. That is why Americans overwhelmingly oppose amnesty
    >> programs.
    >>
    >> Each offer of amnesty encourages even more illegal immigration. That
    >> is why illegal immigration increased significantly after you made your
    >> proposal.
    >>
    >> The words of former President Ronald Reagan are still true today:
    >> "America has lost control of its own borders. No nation can do that
    >> and survive." Reagan later publicly conceded that the 1986 amnesty was
    >> the worst decision of his presidency.
    >>
    >> It is time to show leadership and stop illegal immigration.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Please withdraw your support for efforts to give amnesty to illegal
    >> aliens.
    >Wait just a minute! First I just would like to know why you have
    >interest on banning amnesty to illegal aliens? First, Although I am
    >not a Mexican, but a South American (some people couldn't really tell
    >the difference)I am concerned that you are putting a strong emphasis
    >on this subject without giving a good reason? Let me tell you about
    >the amnesty act that was passed in 1988 by you know who? Yes, Ronald
    >Reagan.

Who later said it was one of his biggest mistakes. It led to massive
chain migration.

    >The reason for this amnesty to take place was because at the time in
    >California there was not one soul who wanted to pick grapes for $ 2 an
    >hour, but you know what? Mexicans did. At the same time in Florida,
    >oranges, in Washington State, apples and so on...
    >Honestly, I can see were you are coming from with your comments due to
    >the overpopulation of Mexicans in the country. But in reality I don't
    >think you or anyone you know would want to do that type of job for a
    >whopping $ 4 an hour (a good pay rise huh!). Directly, this people are
    >putting your everyday food in your table and in mine and at the same
    >time helping the economy in this area. Honestly, even I would want to
    >work for $ 40 for a sun-up to a sundown shift on anything! (12 hours
    >of work per day).

Your knowledge of the economics of immigration for cheap labor is
lacking. Look at recent work by Borjas at Harvard's Kennedy School for
some insight.

Oliver Costich

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:59:43 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease
<root@localhost.> wrote:

    >On 13 Nov 2004 12:11:43 -0800, (Madeira) wrote:
    >>Illegals cost us $10 billion (yes, BILLION) dollars a year, just in
    >>Federal money.
    >There's no reason for this to be the way it is. Eliminate social
    >problems and this cost will disappear overnight.

What social problems did you have in mind? How would you eliminate
them?

Socialism is a Mental Disease

On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:42:36 -0500, Oliver Costich
<olc-> wrote:
    >On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:59:43 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease
    ><root@localhost.> wrote:
    >>On 13 Nov 2004 12:11:43 -0800, (Madeira) wrote:
    >>>Illegals cost us $10 billion (yes, BILLION) dollars a year, just in
    >>>Federal money.
    >>There's no reason for this to be the way it is. Eliminate social
    >>problems and this cost will disappear overnight.
    >What social problems did you have in mind? How would you eliminate
    >them?


Whoops! I meant social programs.

Oliver Costich

On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 22:56:21 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease
<root@localhost.> wrote:

    >On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:42:36 -0500, Oliver Costich
    ><olc-> wrote:
    >>On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:59:43 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease
    >><root@localhost.> wrote:
    >>>On 13 Nov 2004 12:11:43 -0800, (Madeira) wrote:
    >>>>Illegals cost us $10 billion (yes, BILLION) dollars a year, just in
    >>>>Federal money.
    >>>There's no reason for this to be the way it is. Eliminate social
    >>>problems and this cost will disappear overnight.
    >>What social problems did you have in mind? How would you eliminate
    >>them?
    >Whoops! I meant social programs.


I sympathize, but it's not gonna happen (get rid of social programs).

Beyond that, the issue of illegals would still be here unless you also
enforce laws against employing them.

Socialism is a Mental Disease

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:42:49 -0500, Oliver Costich
<olc-> wrote:
    >On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 22:56:21 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease
    ><root@localhost.> wrote:
    >>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:42:36 -0500, Oliver Costich
    >><olc-> wrote:
    >>>On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:59:43 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease
    >>><root@localhost.> wrote:
    >>>>On 13 Nov 2004 12:11:43 -0800, (Madeira) wrote:
    >>>>>Illegals cost us $10 billion (yes, BILLION) dollars a year, just in
    >>>>>Federal money.
    >>>>There's no reason for this to be the way it is. Eliminate social
    >>>>problems and this cost will disappear overnight.
    >>>What social problems did you have in mind? How would you eliminate
    >>>them?
    >>Whoops! I meant social programs.
    >I sympathize, but it's not gonna happen (get rid of social programs).
    >Beyond that, the issue of illegals would still be here unless you also
    >enforce laws against employing them.

Illegals wouldn't be a problem if they weren't consuming "free" social
services. If they had to pay for all the services they get in the US,
while getting 5 bucks an hour, they wouldn't find it so attractive to
immigrate. At the end of the end, economics determines the outcome.

Oliver Costich

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:03:10 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease
<root@localhost.> wrote:

    >On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:42:49 -0500, Oliver Costich
    ><olc-> wrote:
    >>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 22:56:21 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease
    >><root@localhost.> wrote:
    >>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:42:36 -0500, Oliver Costich
    >>><olc-> wrote:
    >>>>On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:59:43 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease
    >>>><root@localhost.> wrote:
    >>>>>On 13 Nov 2004 12:11:43 -0800, (Madeira) wrote:
    >>>>>>Illegals cost us $10 billion (yes, BILLION) dollars a year, just in
    >>>>>>Federal money.
    >>>>>There's no reason for this to be the way it is. Eliminate social
    >>>>>problems and this cost will disappear overnight.
    >>>>What social problems did you have in mind? How would you eliminate
    >>>>them?
    >>>Whoops! I meant social programs.
    >>I sympathize, but it's not gonna happen (get rid of social programs).
    >>Beyond that, the issue of illegals would still be here unless you also
    >>enforce laws against employing them.
    >Illegals wouldn't be a problem if they weren't consuming "free" social
    >services. If they had to pay for all the services they get in the US,
    >while getting 5 bucks an hour, they wouldn't find it so attractive to
    >immigrate. At the end of the end, economics determines the outcome.

Only in a narrow sense. The people who benefit from cheap labor are
the people who make campaign contributions. The rest of us continue to
pay to subsidize this.

I have suggested in the past that if employers of illegals had to pay
all their social costs, especially health care and education, they
would hire Americans instead.