Noorah101

Hi All,



Pardon me for venting a bit about the same issue, but I just received an
email from Ankara about the police certificate again. I had sent them a
detailed email, asking the best way to get the police certficiate under
the cirucumstances (my fiance not being able to get access to the police
dept., could I request the certificate myself, whether they will accept
P3 lacking that, etc.)



They sent me back a general blurb about how to get the certificate under
NORMAL circumstances. Grrrrr...I already know that!!



The way they state it is "A police certificate from Turkey is required
only if the applicant is or has been a resident of Turkey for 6 months
or more. If the applicant never resided in Turkey, he should not
attempt to obtain a police certificate from Turkish authorities". Now,
my question is....what constitutes a resident of Turkey?? Sadegh is a
"resident" of Iran, unless they are considering that he just "stays"
there in Turkey. We listed his mailing address in Turkey for the past 9
years, since that's where he is the majority of the time, but as far as
claiming legal residency, I don't know if that constitutes it.



I'm tempted to call the embassy so I can explain, but I hate to ask
about this detail, either, as I don't want to open another can of worms
if he's *not* supposed to be conducting business w/o being a real
"resident" of Turkey. OHHHHHHH why do I feel like I keep running into a
brick wall here???



It all boils down to one simple question....Do We, or Do We Not, need
the Police Certificate from Turkey?? Sorry for rehashing old
issues....but this one has me totally confused. Am I being too detail-
oriented here?? :-(



Rene

Sibsie

I'm having the same sort of thing in Spain. I'm not an "offical
resident" but I do stay here over 183 days a year which is considered
residency but is not offically regarded as such. As an EU citizen I'm
entitled to be here, but have never registered the fact that I am.
Spain takes over a year and usually 18 months+ to issue Residencia and
as I knew from early on I wouldn't be staying I never applied.



Spain will only issue police certs to people who are "offically here"



Have you checked that Turkey will actually issue certs to people who
aren't official residents?

Leslie66

Rene & Sibsie,



I thought (forgive me if I'm mistaken) that they asked for police
records from anywhere you have "lived". Which does not necessarily mean
you would have been a resident. Perhaps you just request it and if they
don't have one, fine. At least you tried. My criminal record from the
U.S. came back as "no record", or something like that, because nothing
existed for me.



Leslie



Originally posted by Noorah101

    > Hi All,


    > Pardon me for venting a bit about the same issue, but I just received
    > an email from Ankara about the police certificate again. I had sent
    > them a detailed email, asking the best way to get the police
    > certficiate under the cirucumstances (my fiance not being able to get
    > access to the police dept., could I request the certificate myself,
    > whether they will accept P3 lacking that, etc.)


    > They sent me back a general blurb about how to get the certificate
    > under NORMAL circumstances. Grrrrr...I already know that!!


    > The way they state it is "A police certificate from Turkey is required
    > only if the applicant is or has been a resident of Turkey for 6 months
    > or more. If the applicant never resided in Turkey, he should not
    > attempt to obtain a police certificate from Turkish authorities".
    > Now, my question is....what constitutes a resident of Turkey?? Sadegh
    > is a "resident" of Iran, unless they are considering that he just
    > "stays" there in Turkey. We listed his mailing address in Turkey for
    > the past 9 years, since that's where he is the majority of the time,
    > but as far as claiming legal residency, I don't know if that
    > constitutes it.


    > I'm tempted to call the embassy so I can explain, but I hate to ask
    > about this detail, either, as I don't want to open another can of
    > worms if he's *not* supposed to be conducting business w/o being a
    > real "resident" of Turkey. OHHHHHHH why do I feel like I keep running
    > into a brick wall here???


    > It all boils down to one simple question....Do We, or Do We Not, need
    > the Police Certificate from Turkey?? Sorry for rehashing old
    > issues....but this one has me totally confused. Am I being too detail-
    > oriented here?? :-(


Rene

Charlies

I agree with Leslie on this, however the consulates dealing with people
in Turkey must have come across this issue by now since it has been a
problem for a couple of weeks.

is there any way of contacting the Consulate directly Rene?







Leslie,

You didnt have to apply for a police record from the USA.

But I applaude how thorough you are







Originally posted by Leslie66

    > I thought (forgive me if I'm mistaken) that they asked for police
    > records from anywhere you have "lived". Which does not necessarily
    > mean you would have been a resident. Perhaps you just request it and
    > if they don't have one, fine. At least you tried. My criminal record
    > from the U.S. came back as "no record", or something like that,
    > because nothing existed for me.

Hebapotamus42

Rene,



Didn't you say before that the reeason for Sadegh's arrest had been that
he was working illegally but that he rectified the situation? So,
doesn't that mean that he is now legally residing and working in Turkey?
I found this bit of info about Turkish residency:
http://www.tapo.co.uk/working%20in%20turkey/default.asp As
far as the police certificate is concerned, can't you call the Turkish
consulate here in the States and ask them what to do? Maybe you can get
the certificate from them.



Residence permits law in Turkey



According to the provisions of Law no.5683 of 15 July 1950, persons who
come to Turkey for congresses, conferences, national or international
meetings; history, culture, or fine arts festivals; sports competitions:
or exhibitions; as well as persons who come as tourists or as owners of
vehicles may stay Four months without a residence permit, unless there
is a restriction in their visa or a separate provision in the visa
agreement between Turkey and their country of origin. Generally, the
period stipulated in visa agreements is three months.



Persons who wish to stay longer in Turkey are required to apply to the
security authorities for a residence permit. The maximum duration of a
residence permit is five years. Persons who wish to extend this period
must apply again to the security authorities within fifteen days of the
expiration of their residence permits. They may also apply before their
residence permits expire. If a foreigner with a residence permit has
children under eighteen years of age they may either be issued separate
residence permits or he listed as accompanying minors in their mother's
or father's residence permit. If a foreigner who has a residence permit
changes his residence he must report this fact within forty-eight hours
to the police or gendarme stations nearest both his old and his new
residences either in person or by registered letter. Foreigners who have
residence permits must report any changes in their marital status by a
signed statement to the security authorities in their district within
fifteen days of the change. They must also have their new status
registered in their residence permits. Applications for residence
permits by the following persons will be refused without consideration:
a) persons coming to practice a profession prohibited to foreigners; b)
persons not in a position to conform to Turkish law, customs, or
political conditions, or persons engaging in activities not in
conformity with these; c) persons clearly unable to secure legally the
material support necessary for the duration of their desired stay in
Turkey; d) persons who have entered Turkey illegally and. e) persons
whose presence in Turkey is disruptive of the general peace and
tranquility. Residence permits may be revoked by the Ministry of the
Interior, and the Council of Ministers may make changes in the
conditions and duration of residence permits both in general and in
particular cases for the purpose of reciprocity with or reprisals
against a certain country.

Noorah101

OMG....I have no idea what all applies to him and his situation right
now. I always assumed it was as easy as just living there and having a
valid work permit. Anyway, I just recalled reading in their
instructions that if there have been any arrests in any country,
regardless of length of stay, they need to see the police report for
sure. So, I guess I answered my own question after all.



I just want this to be over and done with. My goal is to ship
everything out December 8 to Ankara, with or without the police
certificate. I wrote a letter of explanation about the arrest, and also
a letter stating why the police report is unavailable at the moment. I
stated that if it does become available while we're waiting, we will
bring it along to the interview.



I seem to go from feeling secure that all will be fine one day, to
feeling anxious and panicky the next day. I'm sure you all know what
I mean :-)



Thanks everyone, for your support :-)



Rene

Leslie66

    >

    > Leslie,

    > You didnt have to apply for a police record from the USA.

    > But I applaude how thorough you are





Don't be so quick to be clever Mr. Tuna. I had to have a
background/criminal check done in order to be married in Morocco. The
Moroccan government required it.



BTW I think they do a criminal check on the US citizen at some point
during the 129F process.



Leslie



Leslie

Souls Canuck

I am glad you answered your own question.. I wouldnt begin to know what
to suggest..



and I know all about happy, anxious, nervous.. grrr.....



we all want it to be over..



I wish that for you and everyone else going thru this process...



let it be soon.



let us all be happy.



but just a little bit longer. we can do it.

Hypertweeky

Originally posted by Noorah101

    > Hi All,


    > Pardon me for venting a bit about the same issue, but I just received
    > an email from Ankara about the police certificate again. I had sent
    > them a detailed email, asking the best way to get the police
    > certficiate under the cirucumstances (my fiance not being able to get
    > access to the police dept., could I request the certificate myself,
    > whether they will accept P3 lacking that, etc.)


    > They sent me back a general blurb about how to get the certificate
    > under NORMAL circumstances. Grrrrr...I already know that!!


    > The way they state it is "A police certificate from Turkey is required
    > only if the applicant is or has been a resident of Turkey for 6 months
    > or more. If the applicant never resided in Turkey, he should not
    > attempt to obtain a police certificate from Turkish authorities".
    > Now, my question is....what constitutes a resident of Turkey?? Sadegh
    > is a "resident" of Iran, unless they are considering that he just
    > "stays" there in Turkey. We listed his mailing address in Turkey for
    > the past 9 years, since that's where he is the majority of the time,
    > but as far as claiming legal residency, I don't know if that
    > constitutes it.


    > I'm tempted to call the embassy so I can explain, but I hate to ask
    > about this detail, either, as I don't want to open another can of
    > worms if he's *not* supposed to be conducting business w/o being a
    > real "resident" of Turkey. OHHHHHHH why do I feel like I keep running
    > into a brick wall here???


    > It all boils down to one simple question....Do We, or Do We Not, need
    > the Police Certificate from Turkey?? Sorry for rehashing old
    > issues....but this one has me totally confused. Am I being too detail-
    > oriented here?? :-(


    > Rene



Hey there Rene



No you are not being too detail oriented so dont you worry.. as for
venting this is the best place to do it

I am sorry I can help you with this.. Hope you can get the asnwer you
are looking for!

Take care

Meauxna

Rene,

I'm sure you'll find that the actual humans at the consulate will be a
lot more flexible than the "instructions" make it seem. The COs &
staffers *live* in Turkey; they know what's going on and how to adapt
the situation. I'm not saying it will all go off without a hitch, but
just to let you know that in Greece, it was easier than I'd been
led/read to believe

Chin up, girl!

Dontcha wish you'd gone over there to DCF?