Fone

I have a written job offer from a company in Winnipeg, but it's not
Skill O/A/B and therefore no good to help a Federal app, but it IS on
the HDOL for Manitoba, and that is a good thing, I gather, as without it
there is no chance (without a relative or "family-like support group").



Now I score 77 points on Federal and, also, incidententally, 77, for
Manitoba even though they have a different scoring procedure.



So here is my dillema..apply for Manitoba now hoping that since it's
early in the year, they won't have reached quota yet and I will get
my certificate, or go the Federal way, or perhaps both and just tell
the CIC if and when I get the nomination certificate and perhaps they
will allow me to fast-track and switch my application if I make two,
as didn't someone say you can apply for as many programs as you
qualify for?

Ibraheem

Originally posted by fone

    > I have a written job offer from a company in Winnipeg, but it's not
    > Skill O/A/B and therefore no good to help a Federal app, but it IS on
    > the HDOL for Manitoba, and that is a good thing, I gather, as without
    > it there is no chance (without a relative or "family-like support
    > group").


    > Now I score 77 points on Federal and, also, incidententally, 77, for
    > Manitoba even though they have a different scoring procedure.


    > So here is my dillema..apply for Manitoba now hoping that since it's
    > early in the year, they won't have reached quota yet and I will get my
    > certificate, or go the Federal way, or perhaps both and just tell the
    > CIC if and when I get the nomination certificate and perhaps they will
    > allow me to fast-track and switch my application if I make two, as
    > didn't someone say you can apply for as many programs as you qualify
    > for?



with your 77 points and good represintation, you can get interview
waived, I think its better to apply for federal, if not faster at least
as fast as PM program.

Fone

I am curious why I need representation? I have 10 points above Federal
pass, and 22 above Manitoba's? I can follow the instructions quite
well. Also I believe if the MPNP certificate does come then everything
is fast-tracked? So that would be a better option?

Ibraheem

Originally posted by fone

    > I am curious why I need representation? I have 10 points above
    > Federal pass, and 22 above Manitoba's? I can follow the instructions
    > quite well. Also I believe if the MPNP certificate does come then
    > everything is fast-tracked? So that would be a better option?
    >



Sorry for any confusion, I ment that you represent your qualifications,
job description and experience, language fluency...etc in a very good,
conclusive manner, so you would be granted the points with no doubts
from officers side, if they need to clarify something, they may ask for
a document or an interview, hence delays start and if interview is
required then you should expect more than a year or so more processing
time, in this case the provincial nominee would be faster, but if you
give them a clear file with clear documents, it would be no problem.

In PN normally the federal part does not involve evaluation of your
certificates, experience...etc, they just concentrate on health and
security issues, so again if you think you have good chances to go
without interview through federal then its the faster way if not then
PM is faster because normally you would be approaved after few months
and then you would need to go through all federal processes except
interview and qualification evaluation (in majority of cases).

hope this will help, wish you good luck.

Cheers

Ron Beirnes

"Ibraheem" <member12089@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:...
    > Originally posted by fone
    > > I am curious why I need representation? I have 10 points above
    > > Federal pass, and 22 above Manitoba's? I can follow the instructions
    > > quite well. Also I believe if the MPNP certificate does come then
    > > everything is fast-tracked? So that would be a better option?
    > >
    > Sorry for any confusion, I ment that you represent your qualifications,
    > job description and experience, language fluency...etc in a very good,
    > conclusive manner, so you would be granted the points with no doubts
    > from officers side, if they need to clarify something, they may ask for
    > a document or an interview, hence delays start and if interview is
    > required then you should expect more than a year or so more processing
    > time, in this case the provincial nominee would be faster, but if you
    > give them a clear file with clear documents, it would be no problem.
    > In PN normally the federal part does not involve evaluation of your
    > certificates, experience...etc, they just concentrate on health and
    > security issues, so again if you think you have good chances to go
    > without interview through federal then its the faster way if not then
    > PM is faster because normally you would be approaved after few months
    > and then you would need to go through all federal processes except
    > interview and qualification evaluation (in majority of cases).
    > hope this will help, wish you good luck.
    > Cheers
    > That is what the act says howevefr that is not the reality remember the PN
people never see the applicant
and the Federal visa officers are in fact looking at a lot more than medical
and security. A certificate is
issued on the basis of the person being qualified in a certain occupation
and the visa officers are in many
cases confirming the employment and the education before they proceed to
issue an immigrant visa. These
cases are given a much higher processing priority however do not believe for
a minute that it is a whitewash, they
must meet all the requirements that they have stated in their application to
obtain the PN certification.

Fone

Dear Ron,



Thanks for the info, however I really want to know if I can apply for
both programs..I seem to remember the posts about applying for all
programs for which you qualify. However, Manitoba's website warns about
two immigration files being started, or something similar. If I apply
for both now, and happen to get a MPNP certificate after all, can the
Federal application be switched over if it's only six months after
filing or so, as I assume I would hear back from Winnipeg within six
months? Would switching involve any extra fees?

Andrew Miller

First of all you need to remember that Provinces don't grant immigration
visas - all you can get through PNP is the selection certificate and with
such you apply for PR visa through proper visa post abroad. And as Ron
mentioned fact of having a PNP certificate doesn't guarantee that you'll be
approved anyway. Also remember that Provinces have a very small quota for
PNP - Manitoba can only grant just under 2,000 certificates per year, while
they receive about 20,000 applications.

Once you apply for federal program you may always try to get PNP, but you
cannot switch between federal and Provincial program. If you get PNP
certificate and decide to use it then you'll have to withdraw your existing
PR application filed under federal program and re-apply with PNP
certificate.

So, you can't have 2 PR applications at the same time.