Noorah101

Hi All,

Maybe I just need to vent, but also perhaps someone can help.


My Iranian fiance applied for his police certificate in Istanbul last
December. They told him it would take 25 days. He was out of Turkey at
that time, but later went in to see about it when he returned to Turkey.
Since then, he's been getting the runaround at the police
station....they've told him on several different occasions, that 1) they
don't have the doc yet, 2) they have it but can't give it to him, 3)
they lost it and he has to re-apply (which he did), or 4) he doesn't
really need it.

I know for a fact that Turkish nationals get their
police certificates in a day or two with no problems.

Now, he has his
K-1 appointment letter in hand. His interview date is April 14. He
hired a Turkish lawyer to help him obtain the documents. On the list of
REQUIRED documents to bring with him for his interview, is his police
record and court record. He does have one arrest, for working illegally
in Turkey, and he left voluntarily. This was about 7 years ago.

He
just called me from the police station, where he was with his lawyer,
and the police are still telling him he does NOT need the police
certificate even though he's shown them the appointment letter from
Ankara, stating he DOES need it. They told him all he needs is his
court record, showing the outcome of his arrest. Now, he and his lawyer
are headed to get the court record. I'm hoping they hand THIS document
over easily, and that it is indeed the only one he needs....or perhaps
the police report is filed along with the court record.

I was just
wondering if anyone else has had this experience, and also if there are
any Turkish or Iranians out there who have gone through Ankara, and know
what the NAME of the police record is in Turkish. Perhaps Sadegh just
doesn't know what document to ask for? But surely the lawyer would know
anyway...he's Turkish!

It just seems weird that this document is so
easy for Turkish nationals to get, but not Sadegh :( I checked the visa
reciprocity table, and the Ankara website K1 instructions....and they
both say that a Turkish police report is available for both Turkish and
non-Turkish citizens, and that the document quality is high, and should
take only a couple of days to obtain.

We just want to have these in-
hand by April 13th to take to the interview! And it's not for lack of
trying since last December!!

Rene <---- sleepless at 2:45 a.m.

Folinskyinla

Originally posted by Noorah101
    > Hi All,
    >
    > Maybe I
just need to vent, but also perhaps someone can help.
    >
    > My Iranian
fiance applied for his police certificate in Istanbul last December.
They told him it would take 25 days. He was out of Turkey at that time,
but later went in to see about it when he returned to Turkey. Since
then, he's been getting the runaround at the police station....they've
told him on several different occasions, that 1) they don't have the doc
yet, 2) they have it but can't give it to him, 3) they lost it and he
has to re-apply (which he did), or 4) he doesn't really need it.
    >
    > I
know for a fact that Turkish nationals get their police certificates in
a day or two with no problems.
    >
    > Now, he has his K-1 appointment
letter in hand. His interview date is April 14. He hired a Turkish
lawyer to help him obtain the documents. On the list of REQUIRED
documents to bring with him for his interview, is his police record and
court record. He does have one arrest, for working illegally in Turkey,
and he left voluntarily. This was about 7 years ago.
    >
    > He just
called me from the police station, where he was with his lawyer, and the
police are still telling him he does NOT need the police certificate
even though he's shown them the appointment letter from Ankara, stating
he DOES need it. They told him all he needs is his court record,
showing the outcome of his arrest. Now, he and his lawyer are headed to
get the court record. I'm hoping they hand THIS document over easily,
and that it is indeed the only one he needs....or perhaps the police
report is filed along with the court record.
    >
    > I was just wondering
if anyone else has had this experience, and also if there are any
Turkish or Iranians out there who have gone through Ankara, and know
what the NAME of the police record is in Turkish. Perhaps Sadegh just
doesn't know what document to ask for? But surely the lawyer would know
anyway...he's Turkish!
    >
    > It just seems weird that this document is so
easy for Turkish nationals to get, but not Sadegh :( I checked the visa
reciprocity table, and the Ankara website K1 instructions....and they
both say that a Turkish police report is available for both Turkish and
non-Turkish citizens, and that the document quality is high, and should
take only a couple of days to obtain.
    >
    > We just want to have these
in-hand by April 13th to take to the interview! And it's not for lack
of trying since last December!!
    >
    > Rene <---- sleepless at 2:45 a.m.


Hi:

DOCUMENT this course of events. If you demonstrate that
you have made extreme bona fide efforts to get a certficate and you fail
-- then the certificate is "unavailable."

IF [and I have no idea], if
there is a recurring problem at the consulate of where they have seen
many Iranians unable to get those certificates, you might be OK.

The
thing is to DOCUMENT it so that the consulate can justify it when
someone examines the file.

Noorah101

Originally posted by Folinskyinla
    > Hi:
    >
    > DOCUMENT
this course of events. If you demonstrate that you have made extreme
bona fide efforts to get a certficate and you fail -- then the
certificate is "unavailable."
    >
    > IF [and I have no idea], if there is
a recurring problem at the consulate of where they have seen many
Iranians unable to get those certificates, you might be OK.
    >
    > The
thing is to DOCUMENT it so that the consulate can justify it when
someone examines the file.
Thank you Mr. Folinsky,

Each time
we run into a snag, I have emailed the Ankara embassy, and let them know
what's happening. Each time I got a response as to how to go about
getting it. So I do have that documentation, plus notes I've made in my
planner as to which days he went to the police station, what he was
told, etc. So I believe I am keeping everything well documented.
Ankara emailed me quickly last night with the exact name of the document
in Turkish, the exact Turkish name of the building to go to, and the
phone number of the Istanbul police office to call with questions or
help. As it turns out, he and the lawyer were asking for the correct
document in the correct office. At least that's good.

The latest, is
that that Sadegh and the lawyer went to the Criminal Records offices and
requested the court records. They told Sadegh to go to the Iranian
embassy and get a letter from them that states he is who he says he is,
and that his passport is real. I guess Turkey has seen too much fraud
involving Iranians, and need further proof of identification. By the
time he got to the Iranian embassy, it was closed, so first thing in the
morning he'll go get that letter (which hopefully is not a long
process), and head back to the Criminal Records office.

Will keep you
posted of the outcome. Thanks again for the good advice. :)

Rene <---
feeling a little calmer today

Tmushen

Originally posted by Noorah101
    > Thank you Mr. Folinsky,

    >
    > Each time we run into a snag, I have emailed the Ankara embassy,
and let them know what's happening. Each time I got a response as to
how to go about getting it. So I do have that documentation, plus notes
I've made in my planner as to which days he went to the police station,
what he was told, etc. So I believe I am keeping everything well
documented. Ankara emailed me quickly last night with the exact name of
the document in Turkish, the exact Turkish name of the building to go
to, and the phone number of the Istanbul police office to call with
questions or help. As it turns out, he and the lawyer were asking for
the correct document in the correct office. At least that's good.
    >
The latest, is that that Sadegh and the lawyer went to the Criminal
Records offices and requested the court records. They told Sadegh to go
to the Iranian embassy and get a letter from them that states he is who
he says he is, and that his passport is real. I guess Turkey has seen
too much fraud involving Iranians, and need further proof of
identification. By the time he got to the Iranian embassy, it was
closed, so first thing in the morning he'll go get that letter (which
hopefully is not a long process), and head back to the Criminal Records
office.
    >
    > Will keep you posted of the outcome. Thanks again for the
good advice. :)
    >
    > Rene <---feeling a little calmer today


Rene,
We too had to get a letter from the US Embassy stating that I
was an American Citizen and that my passport was real prior to getting
married. I would say that this is normal operating procedure in Turkey.
In regards to the police certificate you seem to be on your way to
getting it so I will keep reading your posts hoping you get it.

Noorah101

Originally posted by tmushen
    > Rene,
    > We too had to get
a letter from the US Embassy stating that I was an American Citizen and
that my passport was real prior to getting married. I would say that
this is normal operating procedure in Turkey. In regards to the police
certificate you seem to be on your way to getting it so I will keep
reading your posts hoping you get it.
Thank you, T. At this
point, we are doing all we can. I just hope we are successful in
getting the required documents before the 14th. At least we're on the
right track and I feel better after hearing you say you also needed
verification on your passport. So we're not alone :)

Hypertweeky

Originally posted by Noorah101
    > Hi All,
    >
    > Maybe I
just need to vent, but also perhaps someone can help.
    >
    > My Iranian
fiance applied for his police certificate in Istanbul last December.
They told him it would take 25 days. He was out of Turkey at that time,
but later went in to see about it when he returned to Turkey. Since
then, he's been getting the runaround at the police station....they've
told him on several different occasions, that 1) they don't have the doc
yet, 2) they have it but can't give it to him, 3) they lost it and he
has to re-apply (which he did), or 4) he doesn't really need it.
    >
    > I
know for a fact that Turkish nationals get their police certificates in
a day or two with no problems.
    >
    > Now, he has his K-1 appointment
letter in hand. His interview date is April 14. He hired a Turkish
lawyer to help him obtain the documents. On the list of REQUIRED
documents to bring with him for his interview, is his police record and
court record. He does have one arrest, for working illegally in Turkey,
and he left voluntarily. This was about 7 years ago.
    >
    > He just
called me from the police station, where he was with his lawyer, and the
police are still telling him he does NOT need the police certificate
even though he's shown them the appointment letter from Ankara, stating
he DOES need it. They told him all he needs is his court record,
showing the outcome of his arrest. Now, he and his lawyer are headed to
get the court record. I'm hoping they hand THIS document over easily,
and that it is indeed the only one he needs....or perhaps the police
report is filed along with the court record.
    >
    > I was just wondering
if anyone else has had this experience, and also if there are any
Turkish or Iranians out there who have gone through Ankara, and know
what the NAME of the police record is in Turkish. Perhaps Sadegh just
doesn't know what document to ask for? But surely the lawyer would know
anyway...he's Turkish!
    >
    > It just seems weird that this document is so
easy for Turkish nationals to get, but not Sadegh :( I checked the visa
reciprocity table, and the Ankara website K1 instructions....and they
both say that a Turkish police report is available for both Turkish and
non-Turkish citizens, and that the document quality is high, and should
take only a couple of days to obtain.
    >
    > We just want to have these
in-hand by April 13th to take to the interview! And it's not for lack
of trying since last December!!
    >
    > Rene <---- sleepless at 2:45 a.m.


Hi Rene!!!

Aww First of all here is a huggie:):)(((Rene))),
I can't believe Sadegh does not have his police certificate yet, what is
the next thing they are gonna tell ya? that a camel ate it?? UNREAL!!, I
am so sorry girlie, I hope you get it on time!!
If not.. have Sadegh
call the police station from the embassy, If the embassy hears that he
does not need it from the police station.. that will make things a lot
different.
Good Luck girl!!!

Noorah101

Originally posted by Hypertweeky
    > Hi Rene!!!
    >
    > Aww
First of all here is a huggie:):)(((Rene))), I can't believe Sadegh
does not have his police certificate yet, what is the next thing they
are gonna tell ya? that a camel ate it?? UNREAL!!, I am so sorry girlie,
I hope you get it on time!!
    > If not.. have Sadegh call the police
station from the embassy, If the embassy hears that he does not need it
from the police station.. that will make things a lot different.
    > Good
Luck girl!!!
Thanks Hyper, for all your support :) We're
doing what we need to do, and documenting everything so if we don't have
it by the interview, we can easily explain why. I'm not sure the
embassy will call the police while we're there at the interview, but
they might put us on that nasty Admin Review while they research it
further.....thus my hope that we can get everything before the
interview!

Best Wishes!
Rene

Hypertweeky

Originally posted by Noorah101
    > Thanks Hyper, for all
your support :) We're doing what we need to do, and documenting
everything so if we don't have it by the interview, we can easily
explain why. I'm not sure the embassy will call the police while we're
there at the interview, but they might put us on that nasty Admin Review
while they research it further.....thus my hope that we can get
everything before the interview!
    >
    > Best Wishes!
    > Rene


I
hope they don't put you in one of those nasty admin review!!

GOOD LUCK!!!
Keep us updated!!

Noorah101

Just an update....

Sadegh went to the Iranian embassy today to get a
letter from them, confirming his identity. It seems their conversation
went something like this:

Sadegh: I need a letter confirming my
identity.
Official: Why do you need this?
Sadegh: I need it to obtain
my police certificate from Turkey.
Official: And why do you need that?

Sadegh: For immigration purposes.
Official: No, sorry, we can't issue
such a letter.

Sadegh returned to the Crimial Records Dept. and had the
following conversation:

Sadegh: The Iranian embassy won't give me an
identity letter.
Official: That's ok, you really don't need the police
record anyway.
Sadegh: Yes, I do, it says so on all this paperwork I
have.
Official: That's only for Turkish citizens. You're Iranian and
don't need it.
Sadegh: I've been in Turkey 9 years and have an arrest
on my record which the embassy needs to see.
Official: No, you'll be ok
without it.

    :mad:

So, tomorrow he and the lawyer are going once again
to the Criminal Records Department. This is the last day the lawyer can
help him. They will try to get something from them on their official
paper that states they won't comply (yeah...good luck on this one!). I
also suggested that if they can't get that, then the lawyer could write
a statement that even with his help they could not obtain the documents.
Another hope is to get to Ankara a couple of days early and ask for the
records from the Criminal Records department there, or hope the embassy
can point us in the right direction - or better yet, shrug it off (yeah,
right again).

Just thought I'd keep an update on here for future
reference.

Rene <---- :(

Hypertweeky

Originally posted by Noorah101
    > Just an update....
    >
Sadegh went to the Iranian embassy today to get a letter from them,
confirming his identity. It seems their conversation went something
like this:
    >
    > Sadegh: I need a letter confirming my identity.
Official: Why do you need this?
    > Sadegh: I need it to obtain my
police certificate from Turkey.
    > Official: And why do you need that?
Sadegh: For immigration purposes.
    > Official: No, sorry, we can't
issue such a letter.
    >
    > Sadegh returned to the Crimial Records Dept.
and had the following conversation:
    >
    > Sadegh: The Iranian embassy
won't give me an identity letter.
    > Official: That's ok, you really
don't need the police record anyway.
    > Sadegh: Yes, I do, it says so on
all this paperwork I have.
    > Official: That's only for Turkish
citizens. You're Iranian and don't need it.
    > Sadegh: I've been in
Turkey 9 years and have an arrest on my record which the embassy needs
to see.
    > Official: No, you'll be ok without it.
    >
    > :mad:
    >
    > So,
tomorrow he and the lawyer are going once again to the Criminal Records
Department. This is the last day the lawyer can help him. They will
try to get something from them on their official paper that states they
won't comply (yeah...good luck on this one!). I also suggested that if
they can't get that, then the lawyer could write a statement that even
with his help they could not obtain the documents. Another hope is to
get to Ankara a couple of days early and ask for the records from the
Criminal Records department there, or hope the embassy can point us in
the right direction - or better yet, shrug it off (yeah, right again).

    > Just thought I'd keep an update on here for future reference.
    >
Rene <---- :(


Oh my Rene!!
I am so sorry!!, Do they enjoy
jerking people around??, man!!, I am so mad at them, why would you
request a document if you do not need it?, do they think Sadegh is doing
this for fun?
Oh shotie.. I hope everything works out for you guys

((Rene)) here is a huggie.. I know it doesn't help much.. But I am here
for whatever you need alright?.
Keep us updated.. and Good Luck!! I will
be praying for you!!