Saki

Dear Mr Miller/others,



I received my PR visa on Jan 1st, 2004. Visa expires in mid-March, 2004.
Hardly sufficient time to pack up and leave.

I would like to land in Canada before the March,2004 date, stay for
about a week and return temporarily to my native country to "settle
my affairs".



I know about the requirement to have a PR card in order to re-enter
Canada. I should automatically receive this as I would be a newly landed
immigrant. I would be giving my cousin's address to CIC ( when I land)
and should receive it in 30 days or so by mail.



My Questions:



1) As I would want to exit Canada temporarily in about a week's time
after first entry, I will not be able to collect( or receive) my PR
card when it arrives in 30 or so days.

Can my cousin ( who is a PR):

a) Receive the PR card in my absence AND

b) Mail it to me overseas?

Would CIC permit a) and b) above?



2) I know about the travel permit one could apply for if one has not yet
received the PR card. My interpretation of the information is that I
should be eligible to obtain a travel permit if it comes to it.

However, the following piece of info from www.settlement.org
leaves some room for uncertainty ( the " this is not a guarantee.... bit"):-



>>"The visa office will evaluate your documentation to confirm your
>>identity and to decide whether you are a permanent resident of
>>Canada. This is not a guarantee that you will be given a Travel
>>Document. It is up to the Immigration officer at the visa office to
>>decide if you will get a Travel Document or not. If you meet the
>>requirements of the residency obligation, you will be issued a
>>Travel Document in your passport to enable you to be carried by a
>>transportation company back to Canada."<<



If I apply for the travel permit, say, 6 months or so from the date of
first entry to Canada( and after having been in Canada for a week or 10
days), I think I would be satisfying the residency obligation.

Except that the checklist for "application for a travel permit"
available at CIC's website does not tell me what proof I should be
furnishing to establish that I meet the residency requirements.



Mr. Miller, could you possibly advise?



Thank you for your time.

Saki

Andrew Miller

1) Yes, providing that Card will be issued. You must note that there are
many newly landed PR who are asked to pickup Card in person or to come to
CIC office for their pictures to be taken again. So, be prepared that you
may have to apply for Travel Document in such case (if of course it happens
to you).

2) Don't worry - if you'll be applying for TD within let's say 1 to 2 years
from landing then you will have absolutely no problem getting it.

Kash100

Hello Andrew, how long does a newly landed immigrant normally have to
pick-up the card in person or get the snaps taken again?

In your experience, for how long the appointment can be deferred, if
there is any restriction (e.g., contractual commitment to employer) on
traveling outside of the country the immigrant is currently residing?
Many thanks.



Kash100



















Originally posted by Andrew Miller

    > 1) Yes, providing that Card will be issued. You must note that
    > there are

    > many newly landed PR who are asked to pickup Card in person or
    > to come to

    > CIC office for their pictures to be taken again. So, be prepared
    > that you

    > may have to apply for Travel Document in such case (if of course
    > it happens

    > to you).


    > 2) Don't worry - if you'll be applying for TD within let's say 1 to 2
    > years

    > from landing then you will have absolutely no problem getting it.


    > --


    > ../..


    > Andrew Miller

    > Immigration Consultant

    > Vancouver, British Columbia

    > email:

    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)

    > ________________________________



    > "saki" <member3942@british_expats.com> wrote in message

    > news:"]news:1147496.1073207-
    > [/url]...

    > > Dear Mr Miller/others,

    > > I received my PR visa on Jan 1st, 2004. Visa expires in mid-
    > March, 2004.

    > > Hardly sufficient time to pack up and leave.

    > > I would like to land in Canada before the March,2004 date, stay
    > for

    > > about a week and return temporarily to my native country to
    > "settle

    > > my affairs".

    > > I know about the requirement to have a PR card in order to re-
    > enter

    > > Canada. I should automatically receive this as I would be a
    > newly landed

    > > immigrant. I would be giving my cousin's address to CIC ( when I
    > land)

    > > and should receive it in 30 days or so by mail.

    > > My Questions:

    > > 1) As I would want to exit Canada temporarily in about a week's
    > time

    > > after first entry, I will not be able to collect( or receive)
    > my PR

    > > card when it arrives in 30 or so days.

    > > Can my cousin ( who is a PR):

    > > a) Receive the PR card in my absence AND

    > > b) Mail it to me overseas?

    > > Would CIC permit a) and b) above?

    > > 2) I know about the travel permit one could apply for if one has
    > not yet

    > > received the PR card. My interpretation of the information is
    > that I

    > > should be eligible to obtain a travel permit if it comes to
    > it.

    > > However, the following piece of info from
    > www.settlement.org

    > > leaves some room for uncertainty ( the " this is not a
    > guarantee....

    > bit"):-

    > > >>"The visa office will evaluate your documentation to confirm
    > your

    > > >>identity and to decide whether you are a permanent resident
    > of

    > > >>Canada. This is not a guarantee that you will be given a
    > Travel

    > > >>Document. It is up to the Immigration officer at the visa
    > office to

    > > >>decide if you will get a Travel Document or not. If you meet
    > the

    > > >>requirements of the residency obligation, you will be issued
    > a

    > > >>Travel Document in your passport to enable you to be carried
    > by a

    > > >>transportation company back to Canada."<<

    > > If I apply for the travel permit, say, 6 months or so from the
    > date of

    > > first entry to Canada( and after having been in Canada for a
    > week or 10

    > > days), I think I would be satisfying the residency
    > obligation.

    > > Except that the checklist for "application for a travel
    > permit"

    > > available at CIC's website does not tell me what proof I should
    > be

    > > furnishing to establish that I meet the residency
    > requirements.

    > > Mr. Miller, could you possibly advise?

    > > Thank you for your time.

    > > Saki

    > > --

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com[/url]

Andrew Miller

There are no strict time rules dealing with such rare circumstances. But
again - if you want to remain outside Canada to "fulfill your contractual
commitment" then your best option (assuming that your Card won't be mailed
for any reason) will be to apply for Travel Document once you are ready to
return to Canada. When back in Canada you will have to re-apply for PR Card.

Kash100

That's a very interesting point, Andrew. So, the fact that an immigrant
has landed in Canada (before his visa expiration date) in itself is
sufficient to prove his Canadian permanent residence as long as he
follows the 2/5 rule, right? I mean, he doesn't even need to have the PR
card to re-enter Canada or prove his permanent residency (again as long
as he follows the 2/5 rule). I understand that to re-enter Canada
without a PR card, he'll need a travel document. Thank you!



Kash100

























Originally posted by Andrew Miller

    > There are no strict time rules dealing with such rare
    > circumstances. But

    > again - if you want to remain outside Canada to "fulfill your
    > contractual

    > commitment" then your best option (assuming that your Card won't
    > be mailed

    > for any reason) will be to apply for Travel Document once you are
    > ready to

    > return to Canada. When back in Canada you will have to re-apply for
    > PR Card.


    > --


    > ../..


    > Andrew Miller

    > Immigration Consultant

    > Vancouver, British Columbia

    > email:

    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)

    > ________________________________



    > "Kash100" <None> wrote in message

    > news:"]news:1148223.1073244-
    > [/url]...

    > > Hello Andrew, how long does a newly landed immigrant normally
    > have to

    > > pick-up the card in person or get the snaps taken again?

    > > In your experience, for how long the appointment can be
    > deferred, if

    > > there is any restriction (e.g., contractual commitment to
    > employer) on

    > > traveling outside of the country the immigrant is currently
    > residing?

    > > Many thanks.

    > > Kash100

    > > Originally posted by Andrew Miller

    > > > 1) Yes, providing that Card will be issued. You must note
    > that

    > > > there are

    > > > many newly landed PR who are asked to pickup Card in person
    > or

    > > > to come to

    > > > CIC office for their pictures to be taken again. So, be
    > prepared

    > > > that you

    > > > may have to apply for Travel Document in such case (if of
    > course

    > > > it happens

    > > > to you).

    > > >

    > > > 2) Don't worry - if you'll be applying for TD within let's say
    > 1 to 2

    > > > years

    > > > from landing then you will have absolutely no problem getting
    > it.

    > > >

    > > > --

    > > >

    > > > ../..

    > > >

    > > > Andrew Miller

    > > > Immigration Consultant

    > > > Vancouver, British Columbia

    > > > email:

    > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending
    > email)

    > > > ________________________________

    > > >

    > > >

    > > > "saki" <member3942@british_expats.com> wrote in message

    > > >[/url]"]news:1147496.1073207-
    > news:1147496.1073207-

    > > > [/url]...

    > > > > Dear Mr Miller/others,

    > > > > I received my PR visa on Jan 1st, 2004. Visa expires in mid-
    >

    > > > March, 2004.

    > > > > Hardly sufficient time to pack up and leave.

    > > > > I would like to land in Canada before the March,2004 date,
    > stay

    > > > for

    > > > > about a week and return temporarily to my native country
    > to

    > > > "settle

    > > > > my affairs".

    > > > > I know about the requirement to have a PR card in order to
    > re-

    > > > enter

    > > > > Canada. I should automatically receive this as I would be
    > a

    > > > newly landed

    > > > > immigrant. I would be giving my cousin's address to CIC (
    > when I

    > > > land)

    > > > > and should receive it in 30 days or so by mail.

    > > > > My Questions:

    > > > > 1) As I would want to exit Canada temporarily in about a
    > week's

    > > > time

    > > > > after first entry, I will not be able to collect( or
    > receive)

    > > > my PR

    > > > > card when it arrives in 30 or so days.

    > > > > Can my cousin ( who is a PR):

    > > > > a) Receive the PR card in my absence
    > AND

    > > > > b) Mail it to me overseas?

    > > > > Would CIC permit a) and b) above?

    > > > > 2) I know about the travel permit one could apply for if one
    > has

    > > > not yet

    > > > > received the PR card. My interpretation of the
    > information is

    > > > that I

    > > > > should be eligible to obtain a travel permit if it comes
    > to

    > > > it.

    > > > > However, the following piece of info from

    > > > www.settlement.org

    > > > > leaves some room for uncertainty ( the " this is not a

    > > > guarantee....

    > > > bit"):-

    > > > > >>"The visa office will evaluate your documentation to
    > confirm

    > > > your

    > > > > >>identity and to decide whether you are a permanent
    > resident

    > > > of

    > > > > >>Canada. This is not a guarantee that you will be given
    > a

    > > > Travel

    > > > > >>Document. It is up to the Immigration officer at the
    > visa

    > > > office to

    > > > > >>decide if you will get a Travel Document or not. If you
    > meet

    > > > the

    > > > > >>requirements of the residency obligation, you will be
    > issued

    > > > a

    > > > > >>Travel Document in your passport to enable you to be
    > carried

    > > > by a

    > > > > >>transportation company back to Canada."<<

    > > > > If I apply for the travel permit, say, 6 months or so from
    > the

    > > > date of

    > > > > first entry to Canada( and after having been in Canada for
    > a

    > > > week or 10

    > > > > days), I think I would be satisfying the residency

    > > > obligation.

    > > > > Except that the checklist for "application for a travel

    > > > permit"

    > > > > available at CIC's website does not tell me what proof I
    > should

    > > > be

    > > > > furnishing to establish that I meet the residency

    > > > requirements.

    > > > > Mr. Miller, could you possibly advise?

    > > > > Thank you for your time.

    > > > > Saki

    > > > > --

    > > > Posted viaom/http://britishexpats.com/"]http://britishexpats.-
    > /http://britishexpats.-

    > > com[/url]

    > > --

    > > Kash100

    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com/"]http://britishexpats.-
com[/url]

Andrew Miller

Yes, Travel Document will be enough to return to Canada and it is quite easy
as well as fast to obtain, providing that you are still within 2/5 rule.