Rete

Originally posted by inquisitive40
    > The question I
wonder about cases like this is whether the daughter being born in the
US has any USC rights?
    > Patrick


Of course she does. She
has all the rights of any USC. However, the USCIS regulations will
prohibit her from petitioning for her mother until she is age 21. But
somehow I don't think that is what you were getting at.

BTW there is no
reason why the child has to go to Panama. The child can and has the
right to remain in the US with her paternal parent and grandparents.
There are many single fathers who raise their children very well. My
husband raised three without a wife.

If this mother felt that removing
her USC child from the US to be detrimental to its health and welfare,
she can be noble and allow her to remain in the US without her.

Rete

Inquisitive40

Originally posted by ian-mstm
    > As a USC, she enjoys all
the rights and privileges accorded her, but she's not in a legal
position to exercise or assert those rights. She is not subject to
deportation, but her mom is taking her out of the country because the
father would rather let the girl be with her mother than cut back on his
work hours or hire a nanny!
    >
    > After posting my last response, I got
to thinking that it's sad that the mom and dad are pretty much forcing
her to leave the country. I'm one of those who feels that it's not
always in the best interest of the child to remain with the mother. In
this case though, with the father being such a weanie, maybe it's for
the best.
    >
    > Sometime y'just want to knock them upside the head and
ask what they were thinking!
    >
    > Ian


The other jaded view
might be that they actually did marry for a green card and that the mom
wants to have her child with her.

I wonder what the living standards of
panama are actually like? Maybe it is not that bad either?
The other
thing that may be happening is that the are trying to use the child as
leverage to keep her mom in the country..
Patrick

Ray6

A bit surprising that the story was carried by nobody else but the local
rag...there is two mentions of it thru google which are just basically
letters to the editor..by an unknown person.. I tries to get the story
back up but even a search of the stated newspapers site failed to bring
it up... Has a OP got a URL for it ..

Inquisitive40

Originally posted by Rete
    > Of course she does. She has
all the rights of any USC. However, the USCIS regulations will prohibit
her from petitioning for her mother until she is age 21. But somehow I
don't think that is what you were getting at.
    >
    > BTW there is no
reason why the child has to go to Panama. The child can and has the
right to remain in the US with her paternal parent and grandparents.
There are many single fathers who raise their children very well. My
husband raised three without a wife.
    >
    > If this mother felt that
removing her USC child from the US to be detrimental to its health and
welfare, she can be noble and allow her to remain in the US without her.

    >
    > Rete


Actually that is what I was wondering, i.e. when
can the child petition for her mother.
I agree that many father's can
raise kids just a good as a mom. Personally speaking I would do what
would benefit the child most.
A good family enviroment is what the child
needs and that would seem to come from staying with the father (which
the child is already used to living in the US with his relations).
Surely every few months they could visit with the mom until the mess was
straightened out?
My only other thought is how long the mother is banned
for? I am think that false SSN number was used PLUS working and
attending school illegally in the US, all would be hefty bans?
Patrick

Rete

Originally posted by inquisitive40
    > Actually that is
what I was wondering, i.e. when can the child petition for her mother.
I agree that many father's can raise kids just a good as a mom.
Personally speaking I would do what would benefit the child most.
    > A
good family enviroment is what the child needs and that would seem to
come from staying with the father (which the child is already used to
living in the US with his relations). Surely every few months they could
visit with the mom until the mess was straightened out?
    > My only other
thought is how long the mother is banned for? I am think that false SSN
number was used PLUS working and attending school illegally in the US,
all would be hefty bans?
    > Patrick


Actually back in the days
when she entered as a visitor, anyone was able to get a social security
card and there was no legend regarding work authorization on it. So
issue of use of fraudulent documentation might not even come into play
here.

Ray ... I used the e-mail address yesterday and e-mail the author
of the article my comments along with our URL for the thread. So if it
is on the up and up, perhaps the author will drop in here.

Rete

L D Jones

Rig wrote:

    > This article appeared in todays Worcester (MA) Telegram...
    >
    > Article published Jul 25, 2004
    >
    > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    > ----
    > Red tape pulls apart a family
    > Spouse from Panama ordered to leave U.S.
    >
    > Michael and Brenilda Byrnes appear to have it all - good marriage, lovely
    > home, rewarding careers, supportive family and a beautiful 2-year-old
    > daughter.
[...]

Did you have permission to post the entire article? (just curious)

    > In the meantime, Michael is planning his family's trip to Panama, where
    > he'll make a last-ditch appeal at the American consulate that he would
    > become "legally insane" without his wife.

I wonder if "option" this has ever bene tried before?

Noorah101

Their daughter is only 2 years old. Part of me thinks perhaps at
that age, maybe she IS better off with the mother...if the mother has
extended family and relatives around at home that will help raise the
baby. I think a family home environment is better than day care. I
don't think the father is a wimp for not insisting the baby stay with
him. Hopefully the mother won't be banned long-term, and they can
get them both back in the country by the time the daughter starts
school.

Rene

Cor Bosman

    >Originally posted by NOLA_Dave
    >> Wow, this group is
    >really jaded. I know what she did was illegal but jeez, you think it's
    >proper to enforce the law in this case? I surely hope none of us ever
    >become immigration officers...


    >I don't understand where you
    >get the jaded from but both before and after my years dealing with
    >immigration for my husband, I have always had the same opinion. You
    >break the law, you pay the price when caught. The fact that the mother
    >chose to break the law and subsequently marry and bring a child into
    >the world does not mitigate her actions. The issue of her child having
    >to return to Panama with her if she chooses not to leave her USC child
    >with its USC husband falls squarely on her shoulders. If the law is to
    >be fair, it should be applied to all and not just a few who pull your
    >heart strings.

You are assuming everyone is as knowledgable about the world of immigration
as you are. People often have no clue about rules and are living their
lives as best as they can. You see it everywhere. They didnt know they
had to file for taxes. They didnt know they needed that insurance. And
you know what, most of the time, they really dont.

You are probably breaking a dozen laws just sitting in your chair reading
this. You never knew.

Im not saying they should bend the rules for someone, but I really wish
people would use the 'it's the law and they should have known' thing less.

Cor

Leslie66

Originally posted by NOLA_Dave
    > Wow, this group is
really jaded. I know what she did was illegal but jeez, you think it's
proper to enforce the law in this case? I surely hope none of us ever
become immigration officers...


PUH-lease.

Would you be
saying any of this if the article were about a male Mexican bricklayer
who knocked up some uneducated American girl instead of "a petite,
gentle transplant from Panama" married to a "big Irish lug".

The
article is obviously written from a very biased viewpoint with the
intent of playing on the emotions of soft-hearted people.

The truth
is, these people were breaking the law and they knew it. It finally
caught up to them.

Leslie66

Originally posted by mrseze
    > Took you only 2 months to
figure it out...


Then why do you hang around?

Instead of
dropping these little passive-aggressive turd droppings against Rete
and/or the forum. Why don't you just post somewhere else? There are
plenty of these type forums around......