Kurt Ullman

In article <>,
(Derek Lyons) wrote:
    >SMS <> wrote:
    >>appkiller wrote:
    >>> <snippage of jaba the hut's rantings>
    >>>
    >>> Ya know, they were working to create a much more storm surge/flood-safe
    >>> New Orleans until Bushco cut the funding for it.
    >>Very true. They just mentioned that today. In 2001, he cut the funding
    >>for the Army Corps of Engineers work on protecting New Orleans. You reap
    >>what you sow.
    >And Clinton cut it 1995, 1996, 1997, and 2000. Bush is reaping what
    >*he* sowed as well.
Somewhere around here I have a study from the Corp of Engineers on
the subject from the mid-50s. It is all Ike's fault (g)

Kurt Ullman

In article <Gw2Se.3855$>, "Mike
Kruger" <> wrote:

    >Not enough. Even your analogy isn't enough. You wrote "there was a ton of
    >stuff", but we both know that a ton is a drop in the bucket in these cases.
    >(and yes, I know you meant that as a figure of speech). The point isn't the
    >impressive numbers, the point is that whatever the numbers were, they
    >weren't enough (or at least quickly enough).

No, it is how those numbers matched up with the planning
that was done. Hindsight is always 20/20. Actually 1700 trucks is
substantial more than a ton, the ton was a poorly chosen generic
comment. My bad on that one.


    >Yes, but it's fair to second guess the plans in cases like this, considering
    >this is a lot less of a surprise situation than, say, Sept 11 was. Were the
    >plans reasonable? Or was there a bit of "groupthink" that led to these plans
    >assuming that the levees would hold?
It is fair to second guess after the thing is done so we learn
from the mistakes. But to go through and change the parameters and
say we should have seen this was gonna happen is hindsight and
assuming an omnipresence that even President's don't have.

    >> BTW: Did I mention that all of the Guard units, under federal
    >> law and the Constitution are automatically put under the command and
    >> control of the governor and the Pres is not involved.
    >You were reading my postings as an anti-Bush rant. That's not completely
    >unrealistic, given my past postings. But I'm not an apologist for the
    >governor of Louisiana either. It's her state (and the mayor's city), and
    >they can reasonably be expected to be more familiar with the conditions than
    >the president of the US, who has a lot of things to pay attention to. In
    >fact, that's probably the logic behind that federal law.

Actually I am only trying to put things in proper perspective. I
am more trying to get realistic timeframes, etc. out. As much as it
pained me personally, I made many of the same comments in defense of
Clinton's response to Homestead/Miami hurricanes during his tenure.
You don't just magically move men/women and materials across
country in 20 seconds. You plan for what the experts tell you is
reasonable and make things up as you go along when it doesn't Just
the nature of the beast.


    >>>5. Some of the statements of various politicians seem misleading in the
    >>>extreme. For example, when Bush ...
    >> Yet he was being castigated by some Dems for not doing so
    >> earlier. I acutally had a guy on another thread suggest that he
    >> should have done something even if meant nothing just to placate
    >> people.
    >I'm not here to defend all Democrats. The job is much too big for anyone.
    >Personally, I think meaningless gestures are meaningless, but that's just
    >me.
Me, too. But by the same token many people want meaningless
gestures in these situations. That is leadership to show that you
are doing something... anything. If nothing else, this often stops
Brian William's whining, which is a good thing (g).

r15757

nothermark wrote:

    > >Dumbass, that describes all of America.
    > No, that describes the politicans who are running the country into the
    > ground and th escum that lives off them.

Yeah, the oil and gas companies and the energy-sucking
suburbanites, which describes most Americans.

    > There are a lot of folks who
    > understand it and don't like it.

And a lot of folks who don't know their ass from a
goddamn hole in the ground, but who are just beginning
to get a rude awakening.

Robert

Mike Kruger

"Kurt Ullman" <> uses as his current e-mail signature:
    > --
    > I didn't - in spite of ample warnings by sociologists
    > from large Eastern Universities - foresee the need to have
    > 27" flat-screen television sets available to every family in the
    > New Orleans city limits as soon as the electricity went out.
    > That one WAS my bad.
    > --Richard Galen at www.mullings.com

Love it!

Jimmy

Derek Lyons wrote:
    > SMS <> wrote:
    >> appkiller wrote:
    >>> <snippage of jaba the hut's rantings>
    >>> Ya know, they were working to create a much more storm
    >>> surge/flood-safe New Orleans until Bushco cut the funding for it.
    >> Very true. They just mentioned that today. In 2001, he cut the
    >> funding for the Army Corps of Engineers work on protecting New
    >> Orleans. You reap what you sow.
    > And Clinton cut it 1995, 1996, 1997, and 2000. Bush is reaping what
    > *he* sowed as well.
    > D.

Any cites? Links?

Bob the Cow

"Jimmy" <> wrote in message
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    >> And Clinton cut it 1995, 1996, 1997, and 2000. Bush is reaping what
    >> *he* sowed as well.
    > Any cites? Links?

They're around here somewhere. Should be with the Rose Law Firm records.
Or maybe with Vince's keys or in his briefcase. Wait one, I'll check with
Craig Livingstone.

Araby

"ReptilesBlade" <> wrote in message
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    > wrote in news:1125577559.997551.319210
    > @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

    > And the bigot who posted "How very Christian!!" needs to pull there head
    > out of their ass and realize a lot of what keeps this country a good place
    > to live are the Christian overtones in our society.

You obviously don't visit this newsgroup very often or you would know that
the original poster claims to be a devout Christian.
In consequence you completely missed the sarcasm in my comment.

They may do a little harm when taken to extremes but more often than not
Christians have been an
    > extremely beneficial group for society. This country was founded on
    > Christian morals and ethics and a large portion of our greatest
    > accomplishments as a society were and still are influenced by Christianity
    > and those that follow its theological message.

I'm quite well aware of all that and don't need the lesson thanks. In fact I
am not even a national or resident of "this country" or a member of "our
society". However, I do resent being called a bigot.by someone who clearly
jumps to confusions.

    > I dare the self-loving Satanist or Anarchist to say the same thing.

What does this mean ? What thing?

    > And just for the record, I am not a Fundie Christian or a Bush supporter.

What then?

frkrygow

Mike Kruger wrote:
    > "Bill Sornson" <> wrote in message
    > news:AqRRe.58$...
    > > wrote:
    > >> :-) As if there would be a chance Halliburton wouldn't get the job!
    > >
    > > As usual, Frank misses the point.
    > Frank can defend himself.

Not much need. We all know Bill. His reaction to my political humor
needs no defense.

- Frank Krygowski

Bob the Cow

<> wrote in message
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    >> >
    >> > As usual, Frank misses the point.
    >> Frank can defend himself.
    > Not much need. We all know Bill.

Not in the Biblical sense...

frkrygow

Bob the Cow wrote:
    > <> wrote in message
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    > >
    > >> >
    > >> > As usual, Frank misses the point.
    > >>
    > >> Frank can defend himself.
    > >
    > > Not much need. We all know Bill.
    > Not in the Biblical sense...

Even the ladies thank the Lord for that! ;-)

- Frank Krygowski