Sam Shults

My wife finally got her visa interview for August 2nd and we were so happy.
She brought:

1. Marriage certificate (certified copy)
2. Pictures of us together (including when I visited her in China in
January although there weren't many of us together),
3. A letter I wrote to her while in Air Force basic training
4. A letter from my employer stating my annual income and the fact that she
is covered on my medical insurance
5. My plane ticket from when I visited in January

She was denied. The reason given is: "You have been found ineligible for
an immigrant visa under Section 221(g) of the Immigration and Nationality
Act. We have carefully reviewed your application for an immigrant visa based
upon your relationship to the petitioner. Although we have thoroughly
reviewed the particular facts of your case and the evidence you have
provided, you have failed to establish that a bona fide relationship exists
between you and your petitioner. Should you have further evidence of the
bona fides of your relationship to the petitioner, you are welcome to submit
that evidence."

We were crushed. I had confidence she would pass this easily. So now we
started gathering a little more information. They wouldn't tell us what
proof we needed but I asked my friends and family to write a letter stating
how we didn't hide our marriage and how much we loved each other and how
much I talked about her while she was gone. We got 1 letter via email and
decided to use that and some other things and try again 2 days later. We
had that letter, phone logs from 2.5 months showing I call her almost every
night and some of our emails and instant messages. She submitted those and
we waited a day for the result. Denied again, same reason.

We're very frustrated and have no idea what they want from us. We're going
to try one more time and if that fails, I'll have to get a teaching job in
China just to be near my wife. It's been 7 months since I've seen her and I
miss her terribly.

For the third time we're going to have this evidence:

1. Information showing that she is on my checking account
2. Medical insurance card
3. Phone bills from last October (when she had to go back to China) showing
I call her almost every single night (maybe miss 1 night every month).
4. Original marriage certificate
5. Bank statement (which won't be all that impressive. I don't have much
money in it)
6. Photocopy of my passport that shows I went to China
7. Email letter from company showing I was considering teaching in China
just to be near my wife.
8. Signed letters from friends and family about our relationship (more than
just that 1 emailed copy)
9. Letters from my wife while I was in basic training
10. My own letter telling the consulate about our relationship.

But what else can I do? I'm afraid they'll deny her visa again. My wife
insists they are denying the visa because she isn't on my checking account
and we don't have a medical insurance card for her. She thinks those show
that we are actually a married couple and serious about it. I don't think
that's what is causing the denials. I'm still going to put her on the
account since she's my wife and of course I'll send the physical copy of her
medical insurance card but there has to be something else. What are we
missing?

The bad things are we got married very quickly and the original interviewer
even mentioned about it. We got married maybe 1.5 months after initially
meeting. The other possible red flag was that she was on a K1 visa for
someone else originally (had known him for 1.5-2 years) but he was a jerk
and decided not to marry him. I think these are the two reasons they are
denying the visa, not the financial stuff.

Please help. We're very frustrated about what they want from us.

Jessica Simpson

    > But what else can I do? I'm afraid they'll deny her
    >visa again. My wife insists they are denying the visa
    >because she isn't on my checking account
    > and we don't have a medical insurance card for her.
    > The bad things are we got married very quickly and
    >the original interviewer even mentioned about it. We
    >got married maybe 1.5 months after initially meeting.
    >The other possible red flag was that she was on a K1
    >visa for someone else originally (had known him for
    >1.5-2 years)

Has it seriously occurred to you that she may be taking you for a ride?
Saying she's denied a visa because she doesn't have access to your checking
account? Married a month or so after you met? After being on a K1 visa from
someone else? These are alarm bells for the INS, and they should be.

Having said all that, the thing to do is to enlist your family and friends
to start writing your congressman and senators to generate some pressure. So
far, you haven't done anything to give them any disincentive for refusing
your visa. Believe it or not, contacting your rep. or senators can be very
effective in situations like yours.

Sam Shults

Ms. Simpson,

Thanks for the reply. Honestly, I thought of all that when we met for the
very first time. But I knew her situation and other details before getting
married. I'm 100% sure that she is not trying to take my money. I don't
have much and she knows that. I appreciate the concern but that's not it.
However, I'm sure that is what the consulate is worried about and I don't
blame them but in our case it's just not true.

My parents said the same thing about writing to congressmen & senators. If
our third try with the consulate doesn't work then I'll try that process.
I'll probably also take two weeks to visit my wife in China again. I'm glad
I got someone else to second the idea. If you have time, could you give me
a little more information on what I would do? Would I need to ask my family
to write letters or just me? And would we all write to the people in my
state? My family is spread out a little and I'm the only one in Washington
state.

Thanks again.


"Jessica Simpson" <> wrote in message
news:qEkRc.227119$IQ4.207362@attbi_s02...
    > > But what else can I do? I'm afraid they'll deny her
    > >visa again. My wife insists they are denying the visa
    > >because she isn't on my checking account
    > > and we don't have a medical insurance card for her.
    > >
    > > The bad things are we got married very quickly and
    > >the original interviewer even mentioned about it. We
    > >got married maybe 1.5 months after initially meeting.
    > >The other possible red flag was that she was on a K1
    > >visa for someone else originally (had known him for
    > >1.5-2 years)
    > Has it seriously occurred to you that she may be taking you for a ride?
    > Saying she's denied a visa because she doesn't have access to your
checking
    > account? Married a month or so after you met? After being on a K1 visa
from
    > someone else? These are alarm bells for the INS, and they should be.
    > Having said all that, the thing to do is to enlist your family and friends
    > to start writing your congressman and senators to generate some pressure.
So
    > far, you haven't done anything to give them any disincentive for refusing
    > your visa. Believe it or not, contacting your rep. or senators can be very
    > effective in situations like yours.

Capt. Tuttle

Is this the same person you asked about just over a year ago in another
Newsgroup?
That might have something to do with the denial.
Or, am I just feeding the troll?

From: Sam Shults
<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=author:solicit%40seijin.net+>
( <mailto:solicit%40seijin.net>)
Subject: Hopefully easy visa question


Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&group=alt.visa.us>
Date: 2003-05-15 10:37:27 PST

Hi,

I couldn't quite figure out what to put in the header. Hopefully this
is an easy question for people here. I have a Japanese female penpal (28)
that I plan on hosting here in the states. The idea is I teach her English
and American culture and she teaches me Japanese. She has her passport &
everything and has been to California and Hawaii for vacation so that's all
in order. I'm just curious if there's a type of visa she is able to get for
this situation or if I'll just have to use the 90 days provided under the
visa waiver program?

Unless something happens, I'd like to be able to invite her over for 6
months rather than the 3 provided with the VWP.

Sam

Sam Shults

I'm not a troll. There were two different visa situations I was looking at.
Before I met my wife i was considering doing a short term stay in Japan and
was curious about that situation. I met my wife almost exactly a year ago
and we started the visa process late September. She's the same one I've
asked about since then.

This is a real problem I'm dealing with here.


"Capt. Tuttle" <TuttleMD@M*A*S*H.4077> wrote in message
news:pdoRc.16018$...
    > Is this the same person you asked about just over a year ago in another
    > Newsgroup?
    > That might have something to do with the denial.
    > Or, am I just feeding the troll?
    > From: Sam Shults
<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...=author:solici
t%40seijin.net+>
    > ( <mailto:solicit%40seijin.net>)
    > Subject: Hopefully easy visa question
    > Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...group=alt.visa.
us>
    > Date: 2003-05-15 10:37:27 PST
    > Hi,
    > I couldn't quite figure out what to put in the header. Hopefully this
    > is an easy question for people here. I have a Japanese female penpal (28)
    > that I plan on hosting here in the states. The idea is I teach her
English
    > and American culture and she teaches me Japanese. She has her passport &
    > everything and has been to California and Hawaii for vacation so that's
all
    > in order. I'm just curious if there's a type of visa she is able to get
for
    > this situation or if I'll just have to use the 90 days provided under the
    > visa waiver program?
    > Unless something happens, I'd like to be able to invite her over for 6
    > months rather than the 3 provided with the VWP.
    > Sam

Capt. Tuttle

Sam Shults wrote:

    >I'm not a troll. There were two different visa situations I was looking at.
    >Before I met my wife i was considering doing a short term stay in Japan and
    >was curious about that situation. I met my wife almost exactly a year ago
    >and we started the visa process late September. She's the same one I've
    >asked about since then.
    >This is a real problem I'm dealing with here.
    >"Capt. Tuttle" <TuttleMD@M*A*S*H.4077> wrote in message
    >news:pdoRc.16018$...
    >
    >>Is this the same person you asked about just over a year ago in another
    >>Newsgroup?
    >>That might have something to do with the denial.
    >>Or, am I just feeding the troll?
    >>From: Sam Shults
    >>
    ><http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...=author:solici
    >t%40seijin.net+>
    >
    >>( <mailto:solicit%40seijin.net>)
    >>Subject: Hopefully easy visa question
    >>Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
    >>
    ><http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...group=alt.visa.
    >us>
    >
    >>Date: 2003-05-15 10:37:27 PST
    >>Hi,
    >> I couldn't quite figure out what to put in the header. Hopefully this
    >>is an easy question for people here. I have a Japanese female penpal (28)
    >>that I plan on hosting here in the states. The idea is I teach her
    >>
    >English
    >
    >>and American culture and she teaches me Japanese. She has her passport &
    >>everything and has been to California and Hawaii for vacation so that's
    >>
    >all
    >
    >>in order. I'm just curious if there's a type of visa she is able to get
    >>
    >for
    >
    >>this situation or if I'll just have to use the 90 days provided under the
    >>visa waiver program?
    >> Unless something happens, I'd like to be able to invite her over for 6
    >>months rather than the 3 provided with the VWP.
    >>Sam
    >>
    >

With the denial and the past visa I think your best bet is going to be
to get an attorney. Things have really gotten difficult and I think
professional help is in order.

Zenas

    > Sam Shults wrote:
    >
    > >I'm not a troll. There were two different visa situations I was looking at.
    > >Before I met my wife i was considering doing a short term stay in Japan and
    > >was curious about that situation. I met my wife almost exactly a year ago
    > >and we started the visa process late September. She's the same one I've
    > >asked about since then.
    > >This is a real problem I'm dealing with here.
    > >"Capt. Tuttle" <TuttleMD@M*A*S*H.4077> wrote in message
    > >news:pdoRc.16018$...
    > >
    > >>Is this the same person you asked about just over a year ago in another
    > >>Newsgroup?
    > >>That might have something to do with the denial.
    > >>Or, am I just feeding the troll?
    > >>From: Sam Shults
    > >>
    > ><http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...=author:solici
    > >t%40seijin.net+>
    > >
    > >>( <mailto:solicit%40seijin.net>)
    > >>Subject: Hopefully easy visa question
    > >>Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
    > >>
    > ><http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...group=alt.visa.
    > >us>
    > >
    > >>Date: 2003-05-15 10:37:27 PST
    > >>Hi,
    > >> I couldn't quite figure out what to put in the header. Hopefully this
    > >>is an easy question for people here. I have a Japanese female penpal (28)
    > >>that I plan on hosting here in the states. The idea is I teach her
    > >>
    > >English
    > >
    > >>and American culture and she teaches me Japanese. She has her passport &
    > >>everything and has been to California and Hawaii for vacation so that's
    > >>
    > >all
    > >
    > >>in order. I'm just curious if there's a type of visa she is able to get
    > >>
    > >for
    > >
    > >>this situation or if I'll just have to use the 90 days provided under the
    > >>visa waiver program?
    > >> Unless something happens, I'd like to be able to invite her over for 6
    > >>months rather than the 3 provided with the VWP.
    > >>Sam
    > >>
    > >
    >
    > With the denial and the past visa I think your best bet is going to be
    > to get an attorney. Things have really gotten difficult and I think
    > professional help is in order.

The fact that she was doing another visa for a different person sends up BIG RED FLAGS for the interviewer.

I think you are going to need a lawyer. Perhaps, you can move there for a few years, and show your marriage sustainability. It's going to take more than 1 year anyways, to get this sorted out if she's denied again.

Inquisitive40

    > Ms. Simpson,
    >
    > Thanks for the reply. Honestly, I thought of all that when we met for the
    > very first time. But I knew her situation and other details before getting
    > married. I'm 100% sure that she is not trying to take my money. I don't
    > have much and she knows that. I appreciate the concern but that's not it.
    > However, I'm sure that is what the consulate is worried about and I don't
    > blame them but in our case it's just not true.
    >
    > My parents said the same thing about writing to congressmen & senators. If
    > our third try with the consulate doesn't work then I'll try that process.
    > I'll probably also take two weeks to visit my wife in China again. I'm glad
    > I got someone else to second the idea. If you have time, could you give me
    > a little more information on what I would do? Would I need to ask my family
    > to write letters or just me? And would we all write to the people in my
    > state? My family is spread out a little and I'm the only one in Washington
    > state.
    >
    > Thanks again.
    >
    >
    > "Jessica Simpson" <> wrote in message
    > news:qEkRc.227119$IQ4.207362@attbi_s02...
    > > > But what else can I do? I'm afraid they'll deny her
    > > >visa again. My wife insists they are denying the visa
    > > >because she isn't on my checking account
    > > > and we don't have a medical insurance card for her.
    > > >
    > > > The bad things are we got married very quickly and
    > > >the original interviewer even mentioned about it. We
    > > >got married maybe 1.5 months after initially meeting.
    > > >The other possible red flag was that she was on a K1
    > > >visa for someone else originally (had known him for
    > > >1.5-2 years)
    > > Has it seriously occurred to you that she may be taking you for a ride?
    > > Saying she's denied a visa because she doesn't have access to your
    > checking
    > > account? Married a month or so after you met? After being on a K1 visa
    > from
    > > someone else? These are alarm bells for the INS, and they should be.
    > > Having said all that, the thing to do is to enlist your family and friends
    > > to start writing your congressman and senators to generate some pressure.
    > So
    > > far, you haven't done anything to give them any disincentive for refusing
    > > your visa. Believe it or not, contacting your rep. or senators can be very
    > > effective in situations like yours.

Is not your money, it is her green card. My SO was married to a Navy Commander for many years and there was a nickname for US military overseas (can't remember the name) but basically a lot of women see them as targets, particularly the younger kids in the Navy etc, young, some are first time away from home and lonely, VERY east pickings.

I hope I am wrong, BUT I think the USCIS may have saved you some heartache down the road.

Patrick

Donahso

    > Is not your money, it is her green card. My SO was married to a Navy Commander for many years and there was a nickname for US military overseas (can't remember the name) but basically a lot of women see them as targets, particularly the younger kids in the Navy etc, young, some are first time away from home and lonely, VERY east pickings.
    >
    > I hope I am wrong, BUT I think the USCIS may have saved you some heartache down the road.
    >
    > Patrick

Sam, GZ can be that way. Save the lawyer money and get a ticket; that is the most common way to overcome a GZ rejection.

Also, check out http://candleforlove.com where you will find stories about others who have been in your shoes. Good Luck.

Linda94002

    > > But what else can I do? I'm afraid they'll deny her
    > >visa again. My wife insists they are denying the visa
    > >because she isn't on my checking account
    > > and we don't have a medical insurance card for her.
    > > The bad things are we got married very quickly and
    > >the original interviewer even mentioned about it. We
    > >got married maybe 1.5 months after initially meeting.
    > >The other possible red flag was that she was on a K1
    > >visa for someone else originally (had known him for
    > >1.5-2 years)
    >
    > Has it seriously occurred to you that she may be taking you for a ride?
    > Saying she's denied a visa because she doesn't have access to your checking
    > account? Married a month or so after you met? After being on a K1 visa from
    > someone else? These are alarm bells for the INS, and they should be.
    >
    > Having said all that, the thing to do is to enlist your family and friends
    > to start writing your congressman and senators to generate some pressure. So
    > far, you haven't done anything to give them any disincentive for refusing
    > your visa. Believe it or not, contacting your rep. or senators can be very
    > effective in situations like yours.

Sam,

I am sorry for your K3 vida Denied. If your marriage is real. I mean you really love your wife. There is a GOOD way to save the trouble. YOU GO TO GZ immidiately with your wife, together with all documents, evidence. It is tough for Chinese to get immigrate via. As I know some of same tough case. they finally get the visa when the husband went to see the consulate. Whatever you do here in US won't help much. INS is testing your relationship. You can ask your wife to visit a Chinese immigration forum for help. There are some girls with same experiance

http://www.chat001.com/forum/jessi99/index.html

They talk in Chinese. very helpful forum.

Good Luck