Netvegetable

Recently, two young men were charged in the US with bank robbery, and put
their hands up to it. It's a fair cop. Both evidently kept photos of
themselves with the money, both evidently wore their distinctive work
uniforms to the robbery.

Christened by the Aussie media as "Dumb and Dumber", one was from
Australia, and the other New Zealand, so it appears they've managed to
disgrace all of Australasia.

If they do end up spending 25 years in a US prison, will they be
considered naturalised in the US ... and hence have to re apply for their
Aussie/NZ citizenship?

texan.usenet...

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:58:32 +0900, netvegetable
<> wrote:

    >Recently, two young men were charged in the US with bank robbery, and put
    >their hands up to it. It's a fair cop. Both evidently kept photos of
    >themselves with the money, both evidently wore their distinctive work
    >uniforms to the robbery.
    >Christened by the Aussie media as "Dumb and Dumber", one was from
    >Australia, and the other New Zealand, so it appears they've managed to
    >disgrace all of Australasia.
    >If they do end up spending 25 years in a US prison, will they be
    >considered naturalised in the US ... and hence have to re apply for their
    >Aussie/NZ citizenship?
    >

Troll

Peter

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:58:32 +0900, netvegetable
<> wrote:


    >If they do end up spending 25 years in a US prison, will they be
    >considered naturalised in the US ... and hence have to re apply for their
    >Aussie/NZ citizenship?
    >
USA cannot unilaterally strip a person of of the citizenship of
another nation. It is the person who has to renounce his or her
original citizenship in exchange for US citizenship. A nation is only
likely to accept a renunciation of citizenship if it does not tolerate
its citizens having dual citizenship. Presumably you renounce your
original citizenship for US citizenship purposes by surrendering your
original passport and declining to acts generally reserved for
citizens such as voting or standing for public office. If you assert
your original citizenship you presumably are deemed to be no longer a
US citizen.

I do not see USA granting citizenship by virtue of serving a long
stretch in one of its jails.

Also there is no combined Aussie / NZ citizenship. The two are quite
separate except that citizenship of either nation automatically (in
most cases - main exception being a serious criminal record) entitles
residency in the other.

There is no requirement that NZ citizenship is lost after a long
absence from NZ nd AFAIK the same for Australia. It is doubtful that
civilized nations would strip citizenship (especialy by birth) because
of a long absence where the person has not gained or is not entitled
any other citizenship.

Flange

"netvegetable" <> wrote in message
news:...
    > Recently, two young men were charged in the US with bank robbery, and put
    > their hands up to it. It's a fair cop. Both evidently kept photos of
    > themselves with the money, both evidently wore their distinctive work
    > uniforms to the robbery.

They sound about as intelligent as Joe Fivepack.

    > Christened by the Aussie media as "Dumb and Dumber", one was from
    > Australia, and the other New Zealand, so it appears they've managed to
    > disgrace all of Australasia.
    > If they do end up spending 25 years in a US prison, will they be
    > considered naturalised in the US ... and hence have to re apply for their
    > Aussie/NZ citizenship?

Why?
Does your Australian citizenship lapse when you've been out of the country
for a certain period of time?
Don't think so.

Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud

Good riddance anyway !

Get them into the Marines and shovel'em to Iraq ...

Cannon fodder !
That 's all they're worth !

Netvegetable

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:34:51 -0600, texan.usenet wrote:

    > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:58:32 +0900, netvegetable
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >>Recently, two young men were charged in the US with bank robbery, and put
    >>their hands up to it. It's a fair cop. Both evidently kept photos of
    >>themselves with the money, both evidently wore their distinctive work
    >>uniforms to the robbery.
    >>Christened by the Aussie media as "Dumb and Dumber", one was from
    >>Australia, and the other New Zealand, so it appears they've managed to
    >>disgrace all of Australasia.
    >>If they do end up spending 25 years in a US prison, will they be
    >>considered naturalised in the US ... and hence have to re apply for their
    >>Aussie/NZ citizenship?
    >>
    >>
    > Troll

??
Gee, can barely open your mouth without upsetting somebody these days.

texan.usenet...

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:31:34 GMT, (Peter)
wrote:

    >On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:58:32 +0900, netvegetable
    ><> wrote:
    >>If they do end up spending 25 years in a US prison, will they be
    >>considered naturalised in the US ... and hence have to re apply for their
    >>Aussie/NZ citizenship?
    >>
    >USA cannot unilaterally strip a person of of the citizenship of
    >another nation. It is the person who has to renounce his or her
    >original citizenship in exchange for US citizenship. A nation is only
    >likely to accept a renunciation of citizenship if it does not tolerate
    >its citizens having dual citizenship. Presumably you renounce your
    >original citizenship for US citizenship purposes by surrendering your
    >original passport and declining to acts generally reserved for
    >citizens such as voting or standing for public office. If you assert
    >your original citizenship you presumably are deemed to be no longer a
    >US citizen.
????????????????????
Where on earth did you come up with the above?

    >I do not see USA granting citizenship by virtue of serving a long
    >stretch in one of its jails.
No way Jose can it happen.
As soon as they due to be released, they will be released into the
custody of the BCIS and deported. Both will never be able to
enter the US again.

    >Also there is no combined Aussie / NZ citizenship.
    > The two are quite separate except that citizenship of either nation automatically (in
    >most cases - main exception being a serious criminal record) entitles
    >residency in the other.
    >There is no requirement that NZ citizenship is lost after a long
    >absence from NZ nd AFAIK the same for Australia. It is doubtful that
    >civilized nations would strip citizenship (especialy by birth) because
    >of a long absence where the person has not gained or is not entitled
    >any other citizenship.

There are countries where you can loose your aquired citizenship by
being absent for a number of years.

Cath

Heretic

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 05:53:48 +0900, netvegetable wrote:

    >
    >
    >
    > Gee, can barely open your mouth without putting your foot in it.

If you say so.

Dechucka

"netvegetable" <> wrote in message
news:...
    > Recently, two young men were charged in the US with bank robbery, and put
    > their hands up to it. It's a fair cop. Both evidently kept photos of
    > themselves with the money, both evidently wore their distinctive work
    > uniforms to the robbery.
    > Christened by the Aussie media as "Dumb and Dumber", one was from
    > Australia, and the other New Zealand, so it appears they've managed to
    > disgrace all of Australasia.
    > If they do end up spending 25 years in a US prison, will they be
    > considered naturalised in the US ... and hence have to re apply for their
    > Aussie/NZ citizenship?

no

next?

Dechucka

"Flange" <> wrote in message
news:4249bfc8$0$5190$...
    > "netvegetable" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Recently, two young men were charged in the US with bank robbery, and put
    >> their hands up to it. It's a fair cop. Both evidently kept photos of
    >> themselves with the money, both evidently wore their distinctive work
    >> uniforms to the robbery.
    > They sound about as intelligent as Joe Fivepack.

and alot more intelligent than sleepy Flange