Ezzkazz

about 5 years ago my wife and i decided to have a crack at emigrating to
canada. it had always been something we both wanted to do. after the
initial excitement of deciding we were going to go for it and after much
research we didnt have enough points and were very very dissapointed. we
sold our house after finding out we werent good enough and decided to
put all our efforts into a new life in a different house (same country).
2years have passed and we still are not happy and dearly want to get
into canada. in the 2 years we both took a course and it looks like its
just not going to be good enough still.
right now we are feeling very
dejected about the whole thing. the last 2 yrs has been such a waste of
time trying to get a qualification thats probably not worth anything.

we are from the UK and niether of us had the best education and then
went straight into work, i spent the last 16years starting right at the
bottom of a company and ended up in a management in the company and it
was all hard work, attaining many kinds of certificates along the way
(some of them short courses) but even so i always put 100% into my work.
i have been known to work from 7am-3am the next morning to make sure the
job was done.
i am always committed to the job i do and when it comes
down to it, it doesnt make a difference that you want to work hard and
probably have just as much knowledge as someone qualified, just because
its not on paper you are a nobody in the eyes of the immigration people.

i just cant see a way to get my foot in the door. i had my CV checked
but as i was told 'i am dead in the water without a qualification'
every
time i come on this forum i spend sometimes hours trying to find a
glimmer of hope that i can cling onto that maybe our way in to canada
but its not going to be.
the line of work i am in is horticulture and
thats what the west side of canada is all about but i just cant find the
answer (

Iran

Dear friend,

First of all, I must say that I am not a professional
in the area of immigration,, but I can tell you one thing, I believe
Canada needs hard-working people like you. It is not the matter of
degrees or academic qualifications. It is the matter of how you can
manage your life in Canada. You have proved that you are a capable
person and that is all canada wants.

The thing is, you have to
prepare a strong cover letter in which you explain about your abilities.
Your work experience is much more valuable than any university degree.


If I were you, I would apply for the visa right away and do not
be disappointed. I have seen people getting visa while in my eyes were
not qualifie at all. Trust yourself and be proud of your hardworking
life,, there are people with university degrees who are doing pizza
delivery in Canada,, the thing is that you have to find your way out in
life challenges,, you have the proof which is your work experience,, I
believe you are the winner,, apply and be hopeful,,

All the best

Observer

If you are alive, there's always hope. It is never too late to go back to
school.

Having said that I believe that Canada has very liberal immigration policy
compares with other western countries. If you don't have enough point to get
permanent immigrant status now, why can't you try to educate yourself and
your better half.

You can get proper education in Canada for professionals (ie: nurse, etc.)
that Canada would need for the next few years. If your goal is to migrate,
then try to attend school and earn a degree in Canada. During your study
here in Canada, you can bring your good wife with you. When you get your
degree, then you can apply for immigration.

If you did the above five years ago, you could be here today already!

Please don't give up this easy.


"ezzkazz" <member19716@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:...
    > about 5 years ago my wife and i decided to have a crack at emigrating to
    > canada. it had always been something we both wanted to do. after the
    > initial excitement of deciding we were going to go for it and after much
    > research we didnt have enough points and were very very dissapointed. we
    > sold our house after finding out we werent good enough and decided to
    > put all our efforts into a new life in a different house (same country).
    > 2years have passed and we still are not happy and dearly want to get
    > into canada. in the 2 years we both took a course and it looks like its
    > just not going to be good enough still.
    > right now we are feeling very
    > dejected about the whole thing. the last 2 yrs has been such a waste of
    > time trying to get a qualification thats probably not worth anything.
    > we are from the UK and niether of us had the best education and then
    > went straight into work, i spent the last 16years starting right at the
    > bottom of a company and ended up in a management in the company and it
    > was all hard work, attaining many kinds of certificates along the way
    > (some of them short courses) but even so i always put 100% into my work.
    > i have been known to work from 7am-3am the next morning to make sure the
    > job was done.
    > i am always committed to the job i do and when it comes
    > down to it, it doesnt make a difference that you want to work hard and
    > probably have just as much knowledge as someone qualified, just because
    > its not on paper you are a nobody in the eyes of the immigration people.
    > i just cant see a way to get my foot in the door. i had my CV checked
    > but as i was told 'i am dead in the water without a qualification'
    > every
    > time i come on this forum i spend sometimes hours trying to find a
    > glimmer of hope that i can cling onto that maybe our way in to canada
    > but its not going to be.
    > the line of work i am in is horticulture and
    > thats what the west side of canada is all about but i just cant find the
    > answer (
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Ezzkazz

thankyou for your kind words.
At the moment I feel at a loose end, every
free assessment I have pretty much tells me the same thing. 'when it
comes down to it, its not a qualification'. I dont know what else to do,
i am prepared to study for a qualification but the general opinion here
is that you have to be phisically in college rather than doing it though
home study/distance learning. I would be willing to do whatever it takes
to achieve our dream but i dont know what that is.
I grew up with my
family on the breadline, I had no propects, I left school not going to
college because i needed to work to help with my parents bills, I
started my job moving around smelly compost on a mushroom farm, for
years put all my efforts to try to progress to a better position only to
be knocked back my my own department manager who would let me progress
further and treated me like a doormat, I was quite shy, withdrawn, never
spoke my opinion and just got on with my work until i decided no more.
From that day I worked my way up through the department until i ended up
taking my department managers position from him managing 10 men and then
switching departments and managing 120 persons which is no mean feet.
I
am proud of how far i have come and its a shame it will never be
recognised.
I am at a loss right now and me and my families dream is
sinking

Originally posted by iran
    > Dear friend,
    >
First of all, I must say that I am not a professional in the area of
immigration,, but I can tell you one thing, I believe Canada needs hard-
working people like you. It is not the matter of degrees or academic
qualifications. It is the matter of how you can manage your life in
Canada. You have proved that you are a capable person and that is all
canada wants.
    >
    > The thing is, you have to prepare a strong cover
letter in which you explain about your abilities. Your work experience
is much more valuable than any university degree.
    >
    > If I were
you, I would apply for the visa right away and do not be disappointed. I
have seen people getting visa while in my eyes were not qualifie at all.
Trust yourself and be proud of your hardworking life,, there are people
with university degrees who are doing pizza delivery in Canada,, the
thing is that you have to find your way out in life challenges,, you
have the proof which is your work experience,, I believe you are the
winner,, apply and be hopeful,,
    >
All the best

Jim Humphries

Iran has given you the best possible advice. There is little you can do to
relive and replay your life and work but you can try to make it clear to the
visa officer that it was valuable but not considered in the present rather
mechanical selection system.

Ezzkazz

i have not started any kind of application process yet and would
like advice on how to start. who do i go to first and what forms
will i need. also is it worth paying someone for advice. many seem
to think i just dont have a chance

Originally posted by
Jim Humphries
    > Iran has given you the best possible advice.
There is little you can do to
    > relive and replay your life and work
but you can try to make it clear to the
    > visa officer that it was
valuable but not considered in the present rather
    > mechanical
selection system.
    > --
    > Jim Humphries, former visa officer
"iran" <member18771@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > ne-
ws:"]news:1207852.1075395111@br-
itishexpats.com[/url]...
    > > Dear friend,
    > >
First of all, I must say that I am not a professional
    > >
in the area of immigration,, but I can tell you one thing, I
believe
    > > Canada needs hard-working people like you. It
is not the matter of
    > > degrees or academic
qualifications. It is the matter of how you can
    > > manage
your life in Canada. You have proved that you are a capable
    > person and that is all canada wants.
    > > The
thing is, you have to
    > > prepare a strong cover letter in
which you explain about your abilities.
    > > Your work
experience is much more valuable than any university degree.
    > If I were you, I would apply for the visa right away and
do not
    > > be disappointed. I have seen people getting visa
while in my eyes were
    > > not qualifie at all. Trust
yourself and be proud of your hardworking
    > > life,, there
are people with university degrees who are doing pizza
    > >
delivery in Canada,, the thing is that you have to find your way out
in
    > > life challenges,, you have the proof which is your
work experience,, I
    > > believe you are the winner,, apply
and be hopeful,,
    > > All the best
    > > --

    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com/"]http://brit-
ishexpats.com[/url]

Mayo

I am not absolutely certain, buy if you had a job in Canada then the
issue of university will not matter, in theory some employer will want
to hire someone with management experience. You may want to look for a
job in Canada

The canadian government may be using a college degree as a menas to
select good candidates, maybe it is not perfect but other systems will
be hard to implement




ezzkazz <member19716@british_expats.com> wrote in message news:<>...
    > about 5 years ago my wife and i decided to have a crack at emigrating to
    > canada. it had always been something we both wanted to do. after the
    > initial excitement of deciding we were going to go for it and after much
    > research we didnt have enough points and were very very dissapointed. we
    > sold our house after finding out we werent good enough and decided to
    > put all our efforts into a new life in a different house (same country).
    > 2years have passed and we still are not happy and dearly want to get
    > into canada. in the 2 years we both took a course and it looks like its
    > just not going to be good enough still.
    > right now we are feeling very
    > dejected about the whole thing. the last 2 yrs has been such a waste of
    > time trying to get a qualification thats probably not worth anything.
    >
    > we are from the UK and niether of us had the best education and then
    > went straight into work, i spent the last 16years starting right at the
    > bottom of a company and ended up in a management in the company and it
    > was all hard work, attaining many kinds of certificates along the way
    > (some of them short courses) but even so i always put 100% into my work.
    > i have been known to work from 7am-3am the next morning to make sure the
    > job was done.
    > i am always committed to the job i do and when it comes
    > down to it, it doesnt make a difference that you want to work hard and
    > probably have just as much knowledge as someone qualified, just because
    > its not on paper you are a nobody in the eyes of the immigration people.
    >
    > i just cant see a way to get my foot in the door. i had my CV checked
    > but as i was told 'i am dead in the water without a qualification'
    > every
    > time i come on this forum i spend sometimes hours trying to find a
    > glimmer of hope that i can cling onto that maybe our way in to canada
    > but its not going to be.
    > the line of work i am in is horticulture and
    > thats what the west side of canada is all about but i just cant find the
    > answer (

Observer

I am not going to say nice thing about working hard in a cover letter to
plead your case. To migrate to Canada as new immigrant, you must have a
relative (mom, dad) or in a profession (nurse) to become a new immigrant.
True, some new comers ended up with manual labor.

Therefore, as I suggested earlier, get an education and work a profession
that Canada needs. After that you chance is better than working hard with a
cover letter.


"ezzkazz" <member19716@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:...
    > i have not started any kind of application process yet and would
    > like advice on how to start. who do i go to first and what forms
    > will i need. also is it worth paying someone for advice. many seem
    > to think i just dont have a chance
    > Originally posted by
    > Jim Humphries
    > > Iran has given you the best possible advice.
    > There is little you can do to
    > > relive and replay your life and work
    > but you can try to make it clear to the
    > > visa officer that it was
    > valuable but not considered in the present rather
    > > mechanical
    > selection system.
    > > --
    > > Jim Humphries, former visa officer
    > >
    > "iran" <member18771@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > > ne-
    > ws:"]news:1207852.1075395111@br-
    > itishexpats.com[/url]...
    > > > Dear friend,
    > > >
    > First of all, I must say that I am not a professional
    > > >
    > in the area of immigration,, but I can tell you one thing, I
    > believe
    > > > Canada needs hard-working people like you. It
    > is not the matter of
    > > > degrees or academic
    > qualifications. It is the matter of how you can
    > > > manage
    > your life in Canada. You have proved that you are a capable
    > >
    > > person and that is all canada wants.
    > > > The
    > thing is, you have to
    > > > prepare a strong cover letter in
    > which you explain about your abilities.
    > > > Your work
    > experience is much more valuable than any university degree.
    > >
    > > If I were you, I would apply for the visa right away and
    > do not
    > > > be disappointed. I have seen people getting visa
    > while in my eyes were
    > > > not qualifie at all. Trust
    > yourself and be proud of your hardworking
    > > > life,, there
    > are people with university degrees who are doing pizza
    > > >
    > delivery in Canada,, the thing is that you have to find your way out
    > in
    > > > life challenges,, you have the proof which is your
    > work experience,, I
    > > > believe you are the winner,, apply
    > and be hopeful,,
    > > > All the best
    > > > --
    > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com/"]http://brit-
    > ishexpats.com[/url]
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Observer

Please show me a sample of job for a non-Canadian applicant from outside of
Canada that (1) No Canadian want (2) Without a degree (3) In management
position?


"Mayo" <> wrote in message
news:...
    > I am not absolutely certain, buy if you had a job in Canada then the
    > issue of university will not matter, in theory some employer will want
    > to hire someone with management experience. You may want to look for a
    > job in Canada
    > The canadian government may be using a college degree as a menas to
    > select good candidates, maybe it is not perfect but other systems will
    > be hard to implement
    > ezzkazz <member19716@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:<>...
    > > about 5 years ago my wife and i decided to have a crack at emigrating to
    > > canada. it had always been something we both wanted to do. after the
    > > initial excitement of deciding we were going to go for it and after much
    > > research we didnt have enough points and were very very dissapointed. we
    > > sold our house after finding out we werent good enough and decided to
    > > put all our efforts into a new life in a different house (same country).
    > > 2years have passed and we still are not happy and dearly want to get
    > > into canada. in the 2 years we both took a course and it looks like its
    > > just not going to be good enough still.
    > > right now we are feeling very
    > > dejected about the whole thing. the last 2 yrs has been such a waste of
    > > time trying to get a qualification thats probably not worth anything.
    > >
    > > we are from the UK and niether of us had the best education and then
    > > went straight into work, i spent the last 16years starting right at the
    > > bottom of a company and ended up in a management in the company and it
    > > was all hard work, attaining many kinds of certificates along the way
    > > (some of them short courses) but even so i always put 100% into my work.
    > > i have been known to work from 7am-3am the next morning to make sure the
    > > job was done.
    > > i am always committed to the job i do and when it comes
    > > down to it, it doesnt make a difference that you want to work hard and
    > > probably have just as much knowledge as someone qualified, just because
    > > its not on paper you are a nobody in the eyes of the immigration people.
    > >
    > > i just cant see a way to get my foot in the door. i had my CV checked
    > > but as i was told 'i am dead in the water without a qualification'
    > > every
    > > time i come on this forum i spend sometimes hours trying to find a
    > > glimmer of hope that i can cling onto that maybe our way in to canada
    > > but its not going to be.
    > > the line of work i am in is horticulture and
    > > thats what the west side of canada is all about but i just cant find the
    > > answer (

Bhaskar

ezzkazz <member19716@british_expats.com> wrote in message news:<>...
    > thankyou for your kind words.
    > At the moment I feel at a loose end, every
    > free assessment I have pretty much tells me the same thing. 'when it
    > comes down to it, its not a qualification'. I dont know what else to do,
    > i am prepared to study for a qualification but the general opinion here
    > is that you have to be phisically in college rather than doing it though
    > home study/distance learning. I would be willing to do whatever it takes
    > to achieve our dream but i dont know what that is.
    > I grew up with my
    > family on the breadline, I had no propects, I left school not going to
    > college because i needed to work to help with my parents bills, I
    > started my job moving around smelly compost on a mushroom farm, for
    > years put all my efforts to try to progress to a better position only to
    > be knocked back my my own department manager who would let me progress
    > further and treated me like a doormat, I was quite shy, withdrawn, never
    > spoke my opinion and just got on with my work until i decided no more.
    > From that day I worked my way up through the department until i ended up
    > taking my department managers position from him managing 10 men and then
    > switching departments and managing 120 persons which is no mean feet.
    > I
    > am proud of how far i have come and its a shame it will never be
    > recognised.
    > I am at a loss right now and me and my families dream is
    > sinking

You are from UK right ?. Isnt UK is a pretty fine country. I do understand
that people have their own reasons, but moving to canada means starting all
over again. You already have your contact base in UK, worked your way
up, bought a house. Why do you want to move to a new land and start all
over again ?

People mosting immigrate to canada /US are from parts of asia and eastern
europe where change/benefits are worth the move.

Take the case of US.
After and before the 2nd world war a lot of immigrants to US were from japan.
however as japan progressed towards the end of the 20th cetury japnese people
no longer immigrated to us. Similar is the case for korea.

over the years immigrants from japan/korea to US have dropped as there
were ample opportunities in their home country.

Till few years back it was china that used to contribute to the largest
number of immigrants to us. gradually that is reducing now perhaps
signifying the beginning of a similar change.