Mike

Hello All,

I currently have a green card but I am considering becoming a US citizen so
that I can vote. I do not want to give up my current citizenship, though. I
know Switzerland, of which I am a citizen of, does allow dual citizenship. I
always thought that I would have to give up my current citizenship when
becoming a US citizen because the oath during naturalization does say so
(only if my country would not allow revoking my citizenship I could legally
be dual citizen). Now from the following two sources I have heard that I can
keep my Swiss citizenship:

1) A Swiss citizen living in the US told me that there is a special
agreement between Switzerland and the US that allows to have dual
citizenship through naturalization.

2) I called National Customer Service Center and the person I talked to said
it's absolutely not true that there is a requirement that I would have to
give up my current citizenship.

Now, regarding 1) I have not found anything about such a bilateral agreement
and regarding 2) I don't trust the service center due to past experiences.
So does anybody have some more information about this? Do lots of people
become US citizen through naturalization and then not give up their old
citizenship? I know the US does not actively persue these people anymore
that did not give up their old citizenship but that does not mean I might
get into troubles with this in the future. So your help and insight is
greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Rob

Boiler

    > Hello All,
    > I currently have a green card but I am considering becoming a US
    > citizen so
    > that I can vote. I do not want to give up my current citizenship,
    > though. I
    > know Switzerland, of which I am a citizen of, does allow dual
    > citizenship. I
    > always thought that I would have to give up my current citizenship
    > when
    > becoming a US citizen because the oath during naturalization does say
    > so
    > (only if my country would not allow revoking my citizenship I could
    > legally
    > be dual citizen). Now from the following two sources I have heard that
    > I can
    > keep my Swiss citizenship:
    > 1) A Swiss citizen living in the US told me that there is a special
    > agreement between Switzerland and the US that allows to have dual
    > citizenship through naturalization.
    > 2) I called National Customer Service Center and the person I talked
    > to said
    > it's absolutely not true that there is a requirement that I would
    > have to
    > give up my current citizenship.
    > Now, regarding 1) I have not found anything about such a bilateral
    > agreement
    > and regarding 2) I don't trust the service center due to past
    > experiences.
    > So does anybody have some more information about this? Do lots of
    > people
    > become US citizen through naturalization and then not give up their
    > old
    > citizenship? I know the US does not actively persue these people
    > anymore
    > that did not give up their old citizenship but that does not mean I
    > might
    > get into troubles with this in the future. So your help and insight is
    > greatly appreciated.
    > Regards,
    > Rob

You can keep both.

US does not force you to give up other, simply does not 'recognise'
any other.

Mike

"Boiler" <member22431@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:34$265341$1800117$...
    > > Hello All,
    > >
    > > I currently have a green card but I am considering becoming a US
    > > citizen so
    > > that I can vote. I do not want to give up my current citizenship,
    > > though. I
    > > know Switzerland, of which I am a citizen of, does allow dual
    > > citizenship. I
    > > always thought that I would have to give up my current citizenship
    > > when
    > > becoming a US citizen because the oath during naturalization does say
    > > so
    > > (only if my country would not allow revoking my citizenship I could
    > > legally
    > > be dual citizen). Now from the following two sources I have heard that
    > > I can
    > > keep my Swiss citizenship:
    > >
    > > 1) A Swiss citizen living in the US told me that there is a special
    > > agreement between Switzerland and the US that allows to have dual
    > > citizenship through naturalization.
    > >
    > > 2) I called National Customer Service Center and the person I talked
    > > to said
    > > it's absolutely not true that there is a requirement that I would
    > > have to
    > > give up my current citizenship.
    > >
    > > Now, regarding 1) I have not found anything about such a bilateral
    > > agreement
    > > and regarding 2) I don't trust the service center due to past
    > > experiences.
    > > So does anybody have some more information about this? Do lots of
    > > people
    > > become US citizen through naturalization and then not give up their
    > > old
    > > citizenship? I know the US does not actively persue these people
    > > anymore
    > > that did not give up their old citizenship but that does not mean I
    > > might
    > > get into troubles with this in the future. So your help and insight is
    > > greatly appreciated.
    > >
    > > Regards,
    > > Rob
    > You can keep both.
    > US does not force you to give up other, simply does not 'recognise'
    > any other.

Thanks for this reply. Anyways, let me give you an excerpt of "The Oath of
Allegiance":

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and
abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state,
or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or
citizen".

Doesn't that say that I will have to give up my current citizenship (despite
the fact that the US can't really enforce it except by revoking my newly
acquire US citizenship)? If not then why is this not so? Assuming I would
get into some troubles for whatever reason (or for a less likely reason my
country would get in trouble with the US) what would prevent the US from
revoking my US citizenship and deport me because I have not done what I did
promise under oath, i.e. to revoke my Swiss citizenship?

Regards,
Rob

Boiler

    > "Boiler" <member22431@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > news:34$265341$1800117$...
    > > > Hello All,
    > > >
    > > > I currently have a green card but I am considering becoming a US
    > > > citizen so
    > > > that I can vote. I do not want to give up my current citizenship,
    > > > though. I
    > > > know Switzerland, of which I am a citizen of, does allow dual
    > > > citizenship. I
    > > > always thought that I would have to give up my current citizenship
    > > > when
    > > > becoming a US citizen because the oath during naturalization does
    > > > say
    > > > so
    > > > (only if my country would not allow revoking my citizenship I
    > > > could
    > > > legally
    > > > be dual citizen). Now from the following two sources I have heard
    > > > that
    > > > I can
    > > > keep my Swiss citizenship:
    > > >
    > > > 1) A Swiss citizen living in the US told me that there is a
    > > > special
    > > > agreement between Switzerland and the US that allows to have
    > > > dual
    > > > citizenship through naturalization.
    > > >
    > > > 2) I called National Customer Service Center and the person I
    > > > talked
    > > > to said
    > > > it's absolutely not true that there is a requirement that I
    > > > would
    > > > have to
    > > > give up my current citizenship.
    > > >
    > > > Now, regarding 1) I have not found anything about such a bilateral
    > > > agreement
    > > > and regarding 2) I don't trust the service center due to past
    > > > experiences.
    > > > So does anybody have some more information about this? Do lots of
    > > > people
    > > > become US citizen through naturalization and then not give up
    > > > their
    > > > old
    > > > citizenship? I know the US does not actively persue these people
    > > > anymore
    > > > that did not give up their old citizenship but that does not mean
    > > > I
    > > > might
    > > > get into troubles with this in the future. So your help and
    > > > insight is
    > > > greatly appreciated.
    > > >
    > > > Regards,
    > > > Rob
    > > You can keep both.
    > > US does not force you to give up other, simply does not 'recognise'
    > > any other.
    > Thanks for this reply. Anyways, let me give you an excerpt of "The
    > Oath of
    > Allegiance":
    > "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce
    > and
    > abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate,
    > state,
    > or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or
    > citizen".
    > Doesn't that say that I will have to give up my current citizenship
    > (despite
    > the fact that the US can't really enforce it except by revoking my
    > newly
    > acquire US citizenship)? If not then why is this not so? Assuming I
    > would
    > get into some troubles for whatever reason (or for a less likely
    > reason my
    > country would get in trouble with the US) what would prevent the US
    > from
    > revoking my US citizenship and deport me because I have not done what
    > I did
    > promise under oath, i.e. to revoke my Swiss citizenship?
    > Regards,
    > Rob

Nope

I am in the same situation in that the UK allows Dual Citizenship.

I suppose I could just say that the Queen is not a 'foreign prince,
potentate', but then I have never sworn allegiance to her either.

Some Countries specifically forbad Duality, Germany, Denmark?, and I can
see the logic.

You just have to use your US passport entering and leaving. Plenty of
people posting here who have 2, some 3. There was a long thread on this
subject and also the benefits of having US Citizenship, like never
having to deal with USCIS again.

Might be different if I was of draftable age!

I am assuming that you would have to specifically renounce your Swiss
nationality, certainly you can not give up your UKC accidentally.

Mike

"Boiler" <member22431@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:34$265341$1800371$...
    > > "Boiler" <member22431@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > > news:34$265341$1800117$...
    > > > > Hello All,
    > > > >
    > > > > I currently have a green card but I am considering becoming a US
    > > > > citizen so
    > > > > that I can vote. I do not want to give up my current citizenship,
    > > > > though. I
    > > > > know Switzerland, of which I am a citizen of, does allow dual
    > > > > citizenship. I
    > > > > always thought that I would have to give up my current citizenship
    > > > > when
    > > > > becoming a US citizen because the oath during naturalization does
    > > > > say
    > > > > so
    > > > > (only if my country would not allow revoking my citizenship I
    > > > > could
    > > > > legally
    > > > > be dual citizen). Now from the following two sources I have heard
    > > > > that
    > > > > I can
    > > > > keep my Swiss citizenship:
    > > > >
    > > > > 1) A Swiss citizen living in the US told me that there is a
    > > > > special
    > > > > agreement between Switzerland and the US that allows to have
    > > > > dual
    > > > > citizenship through naturalization.
    > > > >
    > > > > 2) I called National Customer Service Center and the person I
    > > > > talked
    > > > > to said
    > > > > it's absolutely not true that there is a requirement that I
    > > > > would
    > > > > have to
    > > > > give up my current citizenship.
    > > > >
    > > > > Now, regarding 1) I have not found anything about such a bilateral
    > > > > agreement
    > > > > and regarding 2) I don't trust the service center due to past
    > > > > experiences.
    > > > > So does anybody have some more information about this? Do lots of
    > > > > people
    > > > > become US citizen through naturalization and then not give up
    > > > > their
    > > > > old
    > > > > citizenship? I know the US does not actively persue these people
    > > > > anymore
    > > > > that did not give up their old citizenship but that does not mean
    > > > > I
    > > > > might
    > > > > get into troubles with this in the future. So your help and
    > > > > insight is
    > > > > greatly appreciated.
    > > > >
    > > > > Regards,
    > > > > Rob
    > > > You can keep both.
    > > > US does not force you to give up other, simply does not 'recognise'
    > > > any other.
    > >
    > > Thanks for this reply. Anyways, let me give you an excerpt of "The
    > > Oath of
    > > Allegiance":
    > >
    > > "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce
    > > and
    > > abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate,
    > > state,
    > > or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or
    > > citizen".
    > >
    > > Doesn't that say that I will have to give up my current citizenship
    > > (despite
    > > the fact that the US can't really enforce it except by revoking my
    > > newly
    > > acquire US citizenship)? If not then why is this not so? Assuming I
    > > would
    > > get into some troubles for whatever reason (or for a less likely
    > > reason my
    > > country would get in trouble with the US) what would prevent the US
    > > from
    > > revoking my US citizenship and deport me because I have not done what
    > > I did
    > > promise under oath, i.e. to revoke my Swiss citizenship?
    > >
    > > Regards,
    > > Rob
    > Nope
    > I am in the same situation in that the UK allows Dual Citizenship.
    > I suppose I could just say that the Queen is not a 'foreign prince,
    > potentate', but then I have never sworn allegiance to her either.
    > Some Countries specifically forbad Duality, Germany, Denmark?, and I can
    > see the logic.
    > You just have to use your US passport entering and leaving. Plenty of
    > people posting here who have 2, some 3. There was a long thread on this
    > subject and also the benefits of having US Citizenship, like never
    > having to deal with USCIS again.
    > Might be different if I was of draftable age!
    > I am assuming that you would have to specifically renounce your Swiss
    > nationality, certainly you can not give up your UKC accidentally.

No, my Swiss citizenship would not get automatically revoked by becoming a
US citizen. As a matter of fact, Switzerland does allow dual citizenship.

Anyways, sorry about my ignorance but I still do not see why I (and you)
would not be required to give up my citizenship. The US does not care how
you did get your previous citizenship and they don't care if you have sworn
allegiance. What they require you to swear is that you give up your
citizenship. So why are you (and others) saying I could keep my citizenship
when getting naturalized? What would the US prevent from revoking my US
citizenship because I did not abid my oath?

BTW, did you aquire US citizenship through naturalization and did not revoke
your UK citizenship?

Regards,
Robert

Boiler

    > "Boiler" <member22431@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > news:34$265341$1800371$...
    > > > "Boiler" <member22431@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:34$265341$1800117$...
    > > > > > Hello All,
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I currently have a green card but I am considering becoming a
    > > > > > US
    > > > > > citizen so
    > > > > > that I can vote. I do not want to give up my current
    > > > > > citizenship,
    > > > > > though. I
    > > > > > know Switzerland, of which I am a citizen of, does allow dual
    > > > > > citizenship. I
    > > > > > always thought that I would have to give up my current
    > > > > > citizenship
    > > > > > when
    > > > > > becoming a US citizen because the oath during naturalization
    > > > > > does
    > > > > > say
    > > > > > so
    > > > > > (only if my country would not allow revoking my citizenship I
    > > > > > could
    > > > > > legally
    > > > > > be dual citizen). Now from the following two sources I have
    > > > > > heard
    > > > > > that
    > > > > > I can
    > > > > > keep my Swiss citizenship:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > 1) A Swiss citizen living in the US told me that there is a
    > > > > > special
    > > > > > agreement between Switzerland and the US that allows to
    > > > > > have
    > > > > > dual
    > > > > > citizenship through naturalization.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > 2) I called National Customer Service Center and the person I
    > > > > > talked
    > > > > > to said
    > > > > > it's absolutely not true that there is a requirement that I
    > > > > > would
    > > > > > have to
    > > > > > give up my current citizenship.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Now, regarding 1) I have not found anything about such a
    > > > > > bilateral
    > > > > > agreement
    > > > > > and regarding 2) I don't trust the service center due to past
    > > > > > experiences.
    > > > > > So does anybody have some more information about this? Do lots
    > > > > > of
    > > > > > people
    > > > > > become US citizen through naturalization and then not give up
    > > > > > their
    > > > > > old
    > > > > > citizenship? I know the US does not actively persue these
    > > > > > people
    > > > > > anymore
    > > > > > that did not give up their old citizenship but that does not
    > > > > > mean
    > > > > > I
    > > > > > might
    > > > > > get into troubles with this in the future. So your help and
    > > > > > insight is
    > > > > > greatly appreciated.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Regards,
    > > > > > Rob
    > > > > You can keep both.
    > > > > US does not force you to give up other, simply does not
    > > > > 'recognise'
    > > > > any other.
    > > >
    > > > Thanks for this reply. Anyways, let me give you an excerpt of "The
    > > > Oath of
    > > > Allegiance":
    > > >
    > > > "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely
    > > > renounce
    > > > and
    > > > abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince,
    > > > potentate,
    > > > state,
    > > > or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject
    > > > or
    > > > citizen".
    > > >
    > > > Doesn't that say that I will have to give up my current
    > > > citizenship
    > > > (despite
    > > > the fact that the US can't really enforce it except by revoking my
    > > > newly
    > > > acquire US citizenship)? If not then why is this not so? Assuming
    > > > I
    > > > would
    > > > get into some troubles for whatever reason (or for a less likely
    > > > reason my
    > > > country would get in trouble with the US) what would prevent the
    > > > US
    > > > from
    > > > revoking my US citizenship and deport me because I have not done
    > > > what
    > > > I did
    > > > promise under oath, i.e. to revoke my Swiss citizenship?
    > > >
    > > > Regards,
    > > > Rob
    > > Nope
    > > I am in the same situation in that the UK allows Dual Citizenship.
    > > I suppose I could just say that the Queen is not a 'foreign prince,
    > > potentate', but then I have never sworn allegiance to her either.
    > > Some Countries specifically forbad Duality, Germany, Denmark?, and I
    > > can
    > > see the logic.
    > > You just have to use your US passport entering and leaving. Plenty
    > > of
    > > people posting here who have 2, some 3. There was a long thread on
    > > this
    > > subject and also the benefits of having US Citizenship, like never
    > > having to deal with USCIS again.
    > > Might be different if I was of draftable age!
    > > I am assuming that you would have to specifically renounce your
    > > Swiss
    > > nationality, certainly you can not give up your UKC accidentally.
    > No, my Swiss citizenship would not get automatically revoked by
    > becoming a
    > US citizen. As a matter of fact, Switzerland does allow dual
    > citizenship.
    > Anyways, sorry about my ignorance but I still do not see why I (and
    > you)
    > would not be required to give up my citizenship. The US does not care
    > how
    > you did get your previous citizenship and they don't care if you have
    > sworn
    > allegiance. What they require you to swear is that you give up your
    > citizenship. So why are you (and others) saying I could keep my
    > citizenship
    > when getting naturalized? What would the US prevent from revoking my
    > US
    > citizenship because I did not abid my oath?
    > BTW, did you aquire US citizenship through naturalization and did not
    > revoke
    > your UK citizenship?
    > Regards,
    > Robert

I can not point to the case law, or whatever, I do know it is not an
issue.

Perhaps someone else can.

I have not reached the point of Naturalisation, it was never my intent
to do so originally, but the USCIS has changed my mind.

I was reminded of 'Sticks and stones can break your bones, but words can
never harm you'

You say the words, I do remember someone who had an issue with this,
and that's it. Note that there is no commitment to go and revoke your
existing Citizenship which certainly in the UK can not be done
verbally anyway.

Likewise I know many USC's who have gone the other way and obtained UK
Citizenship, quite handy if you want to live/work elsewhere in EU. We
will probably follow this route at some point.

The main negative that I see is that the IRS requires you to declare
your worldwide income.

Mike

"Boiler" <member22431@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:34$265341$1800514$...
    > > "Boiler" <member22431@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > > news:34$265341$1800371$...
    > > > > "Boiler" <member22431@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > > > > news:34$265341$1800117$...
    > > > > > > Hello All,
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > I currently have a green card but I am considering becoming a
    > > > > > > US
    > > > > > > citizen so
    > > > > > > that I can vote. I do not want to give up my current
    > > > > > > citizenship,
    > > > > > > though. I
    > > > > > > know Switzerland, of which I am a citizen of, does allow dual
    > > > > > > citizenship. I
    > > > > > > always thought that I would have to give up my current
    > > > > > > citizenship
    > > > > > > when
    > > > > > > becoming a US citizen because the oath during naturalization
    > > > > > > does
    > > > > > > say
    > > > > > > so
    > > > > > > (only if my country would not allow revoking my citizenship I
    > > > > > > could
    > > > > > > legally
    > > > > > > be dual citizen). Now from the following two sources I have
    > > > > > > heard
    > > > > > > that
    > > > > > > I can
    > > > > > > keep my Swiss citizenship:
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > 1) A Swiss citizen living in the US told me that there is a
    > > > > > > special
    > > > > > > agreement between Switzerland and the US that allows to
    > > > > > > have
    > > > > > > dual
    > > > > > > citizenship through naturalization.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > 2) I called National Customer Service Center and the person I
    > > > > > > talked
    > > > > > > to said
    > > > > > > it's absolutely not true that there is a requirement that I
    > > > > > > would
    > > > > > > have to
    > > > > > > give up my current citizenship.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Now, regarding 1) I have not found anything about such a
    > > > > > > bilateral
    > > > > > > agreement
    > > > > > > and regarding 2) I don't trust the service center due to past
    > > > > > > experiences.
    > > > > > > So does anybody have some more information about this? Do lots
    > > > > > > of
    > > > > > > people
    > > > > > > become US citizen through naturalization and then not give up
    > > > > > > their
    > > > > > > old
    > > > > > > citizenship? I know the US does not actively persue these
    > > > > > > people
    > > > > > > anymore
    > > > > > > that did not give up their old citizenship but that does not
    > > > > > > mean
    > > > > > > I
    > > > > > > might
    > > > > > > get into troubles with this in the future. So your help and
    > > > > > > insight is
    > > > > > > greatly appreciated.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Regards,
    > > > > > > Rob
    > > > > > You can keep both.
    > > > > > US does not force you to give up other, simply does not
    > > > > > 'recognise'
    > > > > > any other.
    > > > >
    > > > > Thanks for this reply. Anyways, let me give you an excerpt of "The
    > > > > Oath of
    > > > > Allegiance":
    > > > >
    > > > > "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely
    > > > > renounce
    > > > > and
    > > > > abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince,
    > > > > potentate,
    > > > > state,
    > > > > or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject
    > > > > or
    > > > > citizen".
    > > > >
    > > > > Doesn't that say that I will have to give up my current
    > > > > citizenship
    > > > > (despite
    > > > > the fact that the US can't really enforce it except by revoking my
    > > > > newly
    > > > > acquire US citizenship)? If not then why is this not so? Assuming
    > > > > I
    > > > > would
    > > > > get into some troubles for whatever reason (or for a less likely
    > > > > reason my
    > > > > country would get in trouble with the US) what would prevent the
    > > > > US
    > > > > from
    > > > > revoking my US citizenship and deport me because I have not done
    > > > > what
    > > > > I did
    > > > > promise under oath, i.e. to revoke my Swiss citizenship?
    > > > >
    > > > > Regards,
    > > > > Rob
    > > > Nope
    > > > I am in the same situation in that the UK allows Dual Citizenship.
    > > > I suppose I could just say that the Queen is not a 'foreign prince,
    > > > potentate', but then I have never sworn allegiance to her either.
    > > > Some Countries specifically forbad Duality, Germany, Denmark?, and I
    > > > can
    > > > see the logic.
    > > > You just have to use your US passport entering and leaving. Plenty
    > > > of
    > > > people posting here who have 2, some 3. There was a long thread on
    > > > this
    > > > subject and also the benefits of having US Citizenship, like never
    > > > having to deal with USCIS again.
    > > > Might be different if I was of draftable age!
    > > > I am assuming that you would have to specifically renounce your
    > > > Swiss
    > > > nationality, certainly you can not give up your UKC accidentally.
    > >
    > > No, my Swiss citizenship would not get automatically revoked by
    > > becoming a
    > > US citizen. As a matter of fact, Switzerland does allow dual
    > > citizenship.
    > >
    > > Anyways, sorry about my ignorance but I still do not see why I (and
    > > you)
    > > would not be required to give up my citizenship. The US does not care
    > > how
    > > you did get your previous citizenship and they don't care if you have
    > > sworn
    > > allegiance. What they require you to swear is that you give up your
    > > citizenship. So why are you (and others) saying I could keep my
    > > citizenship
    > > when getting naturalized? What would the US prevent from revoking my
    > > US
    > > citizenship because I did not abid my oath?
    > >
    > > BTW, did you aquire US citizenship through naturalization and did not
    > > revoke
    > > your UK citizenship?
    > >
    > > Regards,
    > > Robert
    > I can not point to the case law, or whatever, I do know it is not an
    > issue.
    > Perhaps someone else can.
    > I have not reached the point of Naturalisation, it was never my intent
    > to do so originally, but the USCIS has changed my mind.
    > I was reminded of 'Sticks and stones can break your bones, but words can
    > never harm you'
    > You say the words, I do remember someone who had an issue with this,
    > and that's it. Note that there is no commitment to go and revoke your
    > existing Citizenship which certainly in the UK can not be done
    > verbally anyway.
    > Likewise I know many USC's who have gone the other way and obtained UK
    > Citizenship, quite handy if you want to live/work elsewhere in EU. We
    > will probably follow this route at some point.
    > The main negative that I see is that the IRS requires you to declare
    > your worldwide income.

Boiler,

While I didn't get a definite answer I do appreciate your input a lot.
Actually, I never planed to get naturalized but since I am living here and
probably will life here for much longer (unless our family decides to move
to Switzerland) I really would like to be able to vote which is only
possible if I become a citizen.

Regards,
Rob

Boiler

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    > > > "Boiler" <member22431@british_expats.com> wrote in message
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    > > > > > "Boiler" <member22431@british_expats.com> wrote in message
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    > > > > > > > Hello All,
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > I currently have a green card but I am considering
    > > > > > > > becoming a
    > > > > > > > US
    > > > > > > > citizen so
    > > > > > > > that I can vote. I do not want to give up my current
    > > > > > > > citizenship,
    > > > > > > > though. I
    > > > > > > > know Switzerland, of which I am a citizen of, does allow
    > > > > > > > dual
    > > > > > > > citizenship. I
    > > > > > > > always thought that I would have to give up my current
    > > > > > > > citizenship
    > > > > > > > when
    > > > > > > > becoming a US citizen because the oath during
    > > > > > > > naturalization
    > > > > > > > does
    > > > > > > > say
    > > > > > > > so
    > > > > > > > (only if my country would not allow revoking my
    > > > > > > > citizenship I
    > > > > > > > could
    > > > > > > > legally
    > > > > > > > be dual citizen). Now from the following two sources I
    > > > > > > > have
    > > > > > > > heard
    > > > > > > > that
    > > > > > > > I can
    > > > > > > > keep my Swiss citizenship:
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > 1) A Swiss citizen living in the US told me that there is
    > > > > > > > a
    > > > > > > > special
    > > > > > > > agreement between Switzerland and the US that allows to
    > > > > > > > have
    > > > > > > > dual
    > > > > > > > citizenship through naturalization.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > 2) I called National Customer Service Center and the
    > > > > > > > person I
    > > > > > > > talked
    > > > > > > > to said
    > > > > > > > it's absolutely not true that there is a requirement
    > > > > > > > that I
    > > > > > > > would
    > > > > > > > have to
    > > > > > > > give up my current citizenship.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Now, regarding 1) I have not found anything about such a
    > > > > > > > bilateral
    > > > > > > > agreement
    > > > > > > > and regarding 2) I don't trust the service center due to
    > > > > > > > past
    > > > > > > > experiences.
    > > > > > > > So does anybody have some more information about this? Do
    > > > > > > > lots
    > > > > > > > of
    > > > > > > > people
    > > > > > > > become US citizen through naturalization and then not give
    > > > > > > > up
    > > > > > > > their
    > > > > > > > old
    > > > > > > > citizenship? I know the US does not actively persue these
    > > > > > > > people
    > > > > > > > anymore
    > > > > > > > that did not give up their old citizenship but that does
    > > > > > > > not
    > > > > > > > mean
    > > > > > > > I
    > > > > > > > might
    > > > > > > > get into troubles with this in the future. So your help
    > > > > > > > and
    > > > > > > > insight is
    > > > > > > > greatly appreciated.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Regards,
    > > > > > > > Rob
    > > > > > > You can keep both.
    > > > > > > US does not force you to give up other, simply does not
    > > > > > > 'recognise'
    > > > > > > any other.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Thanks for this reply. Anyways, let me give you an excerpt of
    > > > > > "The
    > > > > > Oath of
    > > > > > Allegiance":
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely
    > > > > > renounce
    > > > > > and
    > > > > > abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince,
    > > > > > potentate,
    > > > > > state,
    > > > > > or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a
    > > > > > subject
    > > > > > or
    > > > > > citizen".
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Doesn't that say that I will have to give up my current
    > > > > > citizenship
    > > > > > (despite
    > > > > > the fact that the US can't really enforce it except by
    > > > > > revoking my
    > > > > > newly
    > > > > > acquire US citizenship)? If not then why is this not so?
    > > > > > Assuming
    > > > > > I
    > > > > > would
    > > > > > get into some troubles for whatever reason (or for a less
    > > > > > likely
    > > > > > reason my
    > > > > > country would get in trouble with the US) what would prevent
    > > > > > the
    > > > > > US
    > > > > > from
    > > > > > revoking my US citizenship and deport me because I have not
    > > > > > done
    > > > > > what
    > > > > > I did
    > > > > > promise under oath, i.e. to revoke my Swiss citizenship?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Regards,
    > > > > > Rob
    > > > > Nope
    > > > > I am in the same situation in that the UK allows Dual
    > > > > Citizenship.
    > > > > I suppose I could just say that the Queen is not a 'foreign
    > > > > prince,
    > > > > potentate', but then I have never sworn allegiance to her
    > > > > either.
    > > > > Some Countries specifically forbad Duality, Germany, Denmark?,
    > > > > and I
    > > > > can
    > > > > see the logic.
    > > > > You just have to use your US passport entering and leaving.
    > > > > Plenty
    > > > > of
    > > > > people posting here who have 2, some 3. There was a long thread
    > > > > on
    > > > > this
    > > > > subject and also the benefits of having US Citizenship, like
    > > > > never
    > > > > having to deal with USCIS again.
    > > > > Might be different if I was of draftable age!
    > > > > I am assuming that you would hav