03-26-2004, 05:21 PM

I'm asking because of the Kraftwerk album of the same name.
I couldn't find any links for the TEE in Yahoo.

03-26-2004, 05:40 PM

no, it´s long gone. just recently i saw a documentary
on tv. the train looked futiristic in it´s days, little wonder
kraftwerk were inspired.

so browse around !

http://homepages.cwi.nl/~dik/english...transport/TEE/
http://www.tee-classics.ch/09.html
http://www.rail.lu/luxtee.html
http://www.dbmuseum.de/museum/histor...bahn_tee.shtml

cu

frank

03-26-2004, 05:47 PM

b.t.w., a trivia i didn´t know so far:

the official bundesbahn site says they stopped in 1977,
which is the year the album was released ! didn´t know
that !

cu

frank

03-26-2004, 06:10 PM

"Frank" <> wrote in news:c41qap$7au$1
@newsreader2.netcologne.de:

    > b.t.w., a trivia i didn´t know so far:
    >
    > the official bundesbahn site says they stopped in 1977,
    > which is the year the album was released ! didn´t know
    > that !
    >
    > cu
    >
    >
    > frank
    >
    >
    >

Oh! Puts a new spin on the concept, doesn't it?

MzDe
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03-26-2004, 06:11 PM

In article <>,
(Felix Oscar) wrote:

> I'm asking because of the Kraftwerk album of the same name.
> I couldn't find any links for the TEE in Yahoo.

Doesn't appear to be but there is a TEE locomotive at the DBB museum in
Nuernberg

03-26-2004, 08:36 PM

(Felix Oscar) wrote in
news::

> I'm asking because of the Kraftwerk album of the same name.
> I couldn't find any links for the TEE in Yahoo.

No, what used to be TEE is now called "Intercity" or "Eurocity".
The concept is still the same.

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03-26-2004, 08:43 PM

In article <>,
Wolfgang Schwanke <> wrote:

    > (Felix Oscar) wrote in
    > news::
    >
    > > I'm asking because of the Kraftwerk album of the same name.
    > > I couldn't find any links for the TEE in Yahoo.
    >
    > No, what used to be TEE is now called "Intercity" or "Eurocity".
    > The concept is still the same.

Was there an equivalent of ICE? What was the speed of normal
long-distance trains vs. TEE? IIRC, TEE only reached 100 km/h or so
which isn't very fast compared to today.

03-26-2004, 09:02 PM

Not the Karl Orff <> wrote in news:canwine-
:

    > Was there an equivalent of ICE?

No.

    > What was the speed of normal long-distance trains vs. TEE?

AFAIK 160 km/h max.

TEE was not a technology, but a marketing concept. Fast long distance
trains which run regularly in 1 or 2 hour intervals like commuter trains
do, with modern high comfort rolling stock. This is why I'd comparte them
to Inter/Eurocity, because it's the same idea.

OTOH ICE is a technology, comparable to TGV or Shinkansen.
Nothing comparable existed in Europe at the time. (Shinkansen did, in
Japan)

    > IIRC, TEE only reached 100 km/h or so
    > which isn't very fast compared to today.

TEE would run as fast as a given track allowed them to. Their maximum
speed was whatever conventional trains in the 1970s could reach. I think
that was 160 km/h then. Of course not on all routes, just as today.

Regards

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03-26-2004, 09:13 PM

Wolfgang Schwanke <> wrote in
news::

    > Not the Karl Orff <> wrote in news:canwine-
    > :
    >
    >> Was there an equivalent of ICE?
    >
    > No.
    >
    >> What was the speed of normal long-distance trains vs. TEE?
    >
    > AFAIK 160 km/h max.
    >
    > TEE was not a technology, but a marketing concept. Fast long distance
    > trains which run regularly in 1 or 2 hour intervals like commuter
    > trains do, with modern high comfort rolling stock. This is why I'd
    > comparte them to Inter/Eurocity, because it's the same idea.
    >
    > OTOH ICE is a technology, comparable to TGV or Shinkansen.
    > Nothing comparable existed in Europe at the time. (Shinkansen did, in
    > Japan)
    >
    >> IIRC, TEE only reached 100 km/h or so
    >> which isn't very fast compared to today.
    >
    > TEE would run as fast as a given track allowed them to. Their maximum
    > speed was whatever conventional trains in the 1970s could reach. I
    > think that was 160 km/h then. Of course not on all routes, just as
    > today.
    >
    > Regards
    >
    >

Hmm, this is interesting, but it may be time to end the cross-posting to
alt.music.kraftwerk, what do you think, any one else have an opinion?

Or should we carry on? :D

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03-26-2004, 10:58 PM

On 26 Mar 2004 09:21:26 -0800, (Felix Oscar) wrote:

>I'm asking because of the Kraftwerk album of the same name.
>I couldn't find any links for the TEE in Yahoo.

Not really - in Germany its place has been taken by the
"Euro-City"network and by normal inter-city trains.

One of the diesel sets which worked TEE services has been preserved,
having worked in Canada. The set will be available for charter tours.

My first job after school was working for the then DSG (German
Sleeping and Dining Car Co), and I did turns on several TEEs - the
Rhein-Main (Frankfurt -München), the Rembrandt (Frankfurt-Amsterdam)
and the Mediolanum (München-Brenner-Bolzano-Milano) on a set like the
one pictured (site in German only as far as I know):

http://www.dbmuseum.de/museum/histor...bahn_tee.shtml