Nala

This whole PR card issue is a mess.

We Iive outside Windsor, Ontario. I am a Canadian Citizen. My husband
is a Landed Immigrant from Germany who works in the USA and crosses
the border on a daily basis. Yesterday we went across the border-as we
do every weekend- for dinner. My husband applied for Canadian
Citizenship in May 2003. He was sent a letter in July confirming that
they received his application. He was also sent the book to study for
his test. He did not apply for his resident card as he applied for
citizenship.

Yesterday we were driving home from dinner and drove up to the Cnadian
border booth with our id's. The agent in the booth told my husband
that he would not be let into the country as of December- if my
husband doesn't have a resident card. My husband has his Landed papers
and shows it when we cross-with his German passport. My husband told
him that he has applied for citizenship in May and is waiting for the
test date to come in. The guy in the booth told him come December 31-
if he doesn't get the card, my husband would not be allowed into
Canada when he is coming back from work- even though he drives his car
to the US and is not using a commercial carrier.

Then when my husband told the agent he doesn't know what he's taking
about, the guy told him well he read this information in the
"newspaper". He agent admitted has not been told anything official. He
then tells my husband that he is a Customs Agent *not* immigration! He
then says we should ask immigration about this because this is wat he
knows! My husband then comes home and is worried to death that he
can't get his card in time for out car trip on the 30 of December and
won't be able to come home when he has to go to work. I told him not
to listen to that customs idiot, but my husband did not believe me.

I don't understand why Canadian Customs agents are telling Landed
immigrant this info as *fact* when they are: 1-not informed of it
officially
2- read it in a newspaper
3- are not immigration officers
4- have no clue what they are talking about

I also don't understand why if someone has applied for Canadian
Citizenship, they are not given an official id number? The same
information for citizenship is the same information my husband would
give to get his resident card. Why doesn't immigration just send the
card while processing the info? Why do they need a new application for
a resident card when they have all the information for the Citizen
application? These people don't know what they are doing.

The immigration office times are outrageous and not practical. My
husband pays more in taxes than most citizens do because of his
income. He has all the Canadian id's any citizen would, just not the
citizenship card. Now this *Customs* agent is giving himself the
authority to make decision about whether or not my husband can or
can't come home because he doesn't have some card? When was customs
given this authority?

I hope no one else experiences this idiot at the Windsor/Detroit
border because he is giving misinformed information and is causing
distress to people that is not necessary. Frankly I wish we got his
name because he needs to be reported!

Skif

Well, first of all let's not forget that your husband did fail to apply for
the
PR card. Who's fault is it? I belirve Windsor has TV and Newspaper coverage
so you just ignored all the buzz creted by CIC about getting PR cards.

Next thing would be your husband talking to customs officer about his
admittance to Canada.
Why would he even bother to listen to him? Why he didn't request explanation
from immigration officer? Customs officer is not likely to be obliged to
read the official immigration insructions and just thought that he does a
good thing warning your husband about potential problem he might have. Take
it easy, really. The stress you got into is 80% on you. Nothing personal.

"Nala" <> wrote in message
news:...
    > This whole PR card issue is a mess.
    > We Iive outside Windsor, Ontario. I am a Canadian Citizen. My husband
    > is a Landed Immigrant from Germany who works in the USA and crosses
    > the border on a daily basis. Yesterday we went across the border-as we
    > do every weekend- for dinner. My husband applied for Canadian
    > Citizenship in May 2003. He was sent a letter in July confirming that
    > they received his application. He was also sent the book to study for
    > his test. He did not apply for his resident card as he applied for
    > citizenship.
    > Yesterday we were driving home from dinner and drove up to the Cnadian
    > border booth with our id's. The agent in the booth told my husband
    > that he would not be let into the country as of December- if my
    > husband doesn't have a resident card. My husband has his Landed papers
    > and shows it when we cross-with his German passport. My husband told
    > him that he has applied for citizenship in May and is waiting for the
    > test date to come in. The guy in the booth told him come December 31-
    > if he doesn't get the card, my husband would not be allowed into
    > Canada when he is coming back from work- even though he drives his car
    > to the US and is not using a commercial carrier.
    > Then when my husband told the agent he doesn't know what he's taking
    > about, the guy told him well he read this information in the
    > "newspaper". He agent admitted has not been told anything official. He
    > then tells my husband that he is a Customs Agent *not* immigration! He
    > then says we should ask immigration about this because this is wat he
    > knows! My husband then comes home and is worried to death that he
    > can't get his card in time for out car trip on the 30 of December and
    > won't be able to come home when he has to go to work. I told him not
    > to listen to that customs idiot, but my husband did not believe me.
    > I don't understand why Canadian Customs agents are telling Landed
    > immigrant this info as *fact* when they are: 1-not informed of it
    > officially
    > 2- read it in a newspaper
    > 3- are not immigration officers
    > 4- have no clue what they are talking about
    > I also don't understand why if someone has applied for Canadian
    > Citizenship, they are not given an official id number? The same
    > information for citizenship is the same information my husband would
    > give to get his resident card. Why doesn't immigration just send the
    > card while processing the info? Why do they need a new application for
    > a resident card when they have all the information for the Citizen
    > application? These people don't know what they are doing.
    > The immigration office times are outrageous and not practical. My
    > husband pays more in taxes than most citizens do because of his
    > income. He has all the Canadian id's any citizen would, just not the
    > citizenship card. Now this *Customs* agent is giving himself the
    > authority to make decision about whether or not my husband can or
    > can't come home because he doesn't have some card? When was customs
    > given this authority?
    > I hope no one else experiences this idiot at the Windsor/Detroit
    > border because he is giving misinformed information and is causing
    > distress to people that is not necessary. Frankly I wish we got his
    > name because he needs to be reported!

John D

One solution....

http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/home.htm




"Nala" <> wrote in message
news:...
    > This whole PR card issue is a mess.
    > We Iive outside Windsor, Ontario. I am a Canadian Citizen. My husband
    > is a Landed Immigrant from Germany who works in the USA and crosses
    > the border on a daily basis. Yesterday we went across the border-as we
    > do every weekend- for dinner. My husband applied for Canadian
    > Citizenship in May 2003. He was sent a letter in July confirming that
    > they received his application. He was also sent the book to study for
    > his test. He did not apply for his resident card as he applied for
    > citizenship.
    > Yesterday we were driving home from dinner and drove up to the Cnadian
    > border booth with our id's. The agent in the booth told my husband
    > that he would not be let into the country as of December- if my
    > husband doesn't have a resident card. My husband has his Landed papers
    > and shows it when we cross-with his German passport. My husband told
    > him that he has applied for citizenship in May and is waiting for the
    > test date to come in. The guy in the booth told him come December 31-
    > if he doesn't get the card, my husband would not be allowed into
    > Canada when he is coming back from work- even though he drives his car
    > to the US and is not using a commercial carrier.
    > Then when my husband told the agent he doesn't know what he's taking
    > about, the guy told him well he read this information in the
    > "newspaper". He agent admitted has not been told anything official. He
    > then tells my husband that he is a Customs Agent *not* immigration! He
    > then says we should ask immigration about this because this is wat he
    > knows! My husband then comes home and is worried to death that he
    > can't get his card in time for out car trip on the 30 of December and
    > won't be able to come home when he has to go to work. I told him not
    > to listen to that customs idiot, but my husband did not believe me.
    > I don't understand why Canadian Customs agents are telling Landed
    > immigrant this info as *fact* when they are: 1-not informed of it
    > officially
    > 2- read it in a newspaper
    > 3- are not immigration officers
    > 4- have no clue what they are talking about
    > I also don't understand why if someone has applied for Canadian
    > Citizenship, they are not given an official id number? The same
    > information for citizenship is the same information my husband would
    > give to get his resident card. Why doesn't immigration just send the
    > card while processing the info? Why do they need a new application for
    > a resident card when they have all the information for the Citizen
    > application? These people don't know what they are doing.
    > The immigration office times are outrageous and not practical. My
    > husband pays more in taxes than most citizens do because of his
    > income. He has all the Canadian id's any citizen would, just not the
    > citizenship card. Now this *Customs* agent is giving himself the
    > authority to make decision about whether or not my husband can or
    > can't come home because he doesn't have some card? When was customs
    > given this authority?
    > I hope no one else experiences this idiot at the Windsor/Detroit
    > border because he is giving misinformed information and is causing
    > distress to people that is not necessary. Frankly I wish we got his
    > name because he needs to be reported!

James Metcalfe

Nala

Having lived in Detroit for several years I find it curious that you go to
Restarants in Detroit when Windsor has many very good restaurants. Perhaps i
missed something when I was there. Could you give me a list of your favorite
Detroit Restaurants.

Jim Metcalfe







"Nala" <> wrote in message
news:...
    > This whole PR card issue is a mess.
    > We Iive outside Windsor, Ontario. I am a Canadian Citizen. My husband
    > is a Landed Immigrant from Germany who works in the USA and crosses
    > the border on a daily basis. Yesterday we went across the border-as we
    > do every weekend- for dinner. My husband applied for Canadian
    > Citizenship in May 2003. He was sent a letter in July confirming that
    > they received his application. He was also sent the book to study for
    > his test. He did not apply for his resident card as he applied for
    > citizenship.
    > Yesterday we were driving home from dinner and drove up to the Cnadian
    > border booth with our id's. The agent in the booth told my husband
    > that he would not be let into the country as of December- if my
    > husband doesn't have a resident card. My husband has his Landed papers
    > and shows it when we cross-with his German passport. My husband told
    > him that he has applied for citizenship in May and is waiting for the
    > test date to come in. The guy in the booth told him come December 31-
    > if he doesn't get the card, my husband would not be allowed into
    > Canada when he is coming back from work- even though he drives his car
    > to the US and is not using a commercial carrier.
    > Then when my husband told the agent he doesn't know what he's taking
    > about, the guy told him well he read this information in the
    > "newspaper". He agent admitted has not been told anything official. He
    > then tells my husband that he is a Customs Agent *not* immigration! He
    > then says we should ask immigration about this because this is wat he
    > knows! My husband then comes home and is worried to death that he
    > can't get his card in time for out car trip on the 30 of December and
    > won't be able to come home when he has to go to work. I told him not
    > to listen to that customs idiot, but my husband did not believe me.
    > I don't understand why Canadian Customs agents are telling Landed
    > immigrant this info as *fact* when they are: 1-not informed of it
    > officially
    > 2- read it in a newspaper
    > 3- are not immigration officers
    > 4- have no clue what they are talking about
    > I also don't understand why if someone has applied for Canadian
    > Citizenship, they are not given an official id number? The same
    > information for citizenship is the same information my husband would
    > give to get his resident card. Why doesn't immigration just send the
    > card while processing the info? Why do they need a new application for
    > a resident card when they have all the information for the Citizen
    > application? These people don't know what they are doing.
    > The immigration office times are outrageous and not practical. My
    > husband pays more in taxes than most citizens do because of his
    > income. He has all the Canadian id's any citizen would, just not the
    > citizenship card. Now this *Customs* agent is giving himself the
    > authority to make decision about whether or not my husband can or
    > can't come home because he doesn't have some card? When was customs
    > given this authority?
    > I hope no one else experiences this idiot at the Windsor/Detroit
    > border because he is giving misinformed information and is causing
    > distress to people that is not necessary. Frankly I wish we got his
    > name because he needs to be reported!

kgyula

"Skif" <> wrote in message news:<wnPFb.34731$>...
    > Well, first of all let's not forget that your husband did fail to apply for
    > the
    > PR card. Who's fault is it? I belirve Windsor has TV and Newspaper coverage
    > so you just ignored all the buzz creted by CIC about getting PR cards.
    >
    > Next thing would be your husband talking to customs officer about his
    > admittance to Canada.
    > Why would he even bother to listen to him? Why he didn't request explanation
    > from immigration officer? Customs officer is not likely to be obliged to
    > read the official immigration insructions and just thought that he does a
    > good thing warning your husband about potential problem he might have. Take
    > it easy, really. The stress you got into is 80% on you. Nothing personal.
    >
    > "Nala" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > This whole PR card issue is a mess.
    > >
    > > We Iive outside Windsor, Ontario. I am a Canadian Citizen. My husband
    > > is a Landed Immigrant from Germany who works in the USA and crosses
First.

What do you say in my case who applied for citizenship in October 2002
and I didn't get any call for citizenship testing yet. It took 3 weeks
continuous calling that stupid so called Call Centre where I could
talk to an inept employee who didn't know anything about my file.

What you are talking about? To scam out more many from us for this
underachieving government? No way. You forgot one major factor. We are
Canadian taxpayer and not immigrants outside Canada so our rights are
a
little bit broader than theirs.

Second.

Nala. Check this document which was mentioned by a more knowledgeable
guy in another thread.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/manuals-guides/...enf/enf04e.pdf

This document clearly states job, that your husband come and go
without any problem through US border by car.

It states that his original Record of Landing document (IMM100) is
enough proof to prove his permanent resident status. Otherwise, a
German citizen doesn't need any visa to come to Canada. This is also
not an issue if he uses air transportation.
Please, check 11.2, 11.3, 11.4 for more details in above mentioned
document.

Third.

I remember in mid 2002 they advertised in the major newspapers if you
are eligible for citizenship don't apply for permanent resident card,
apply for citizenship rather. This is what I did too. Did you think
about if everybody who applied to citizenship also applies for
permanent resident card, the already overloaded administration cannot
handle this excessive workload?!

This shows the paramount idiocy of this legislation.

--Jules

Skif

I'd say you got unfortunate, there is no insurance for this. And don't
get your nose to high about paying taxes. I'm paying the same taxes to the
same government for over 3 years so far. And just so you know, the taxes are
your duty and have nothing to do with your rights.

<> wrote in message
    > First.
    > What do you say in my case who applied for citizenship in October 2002
    > and I didn't get any call for citizenship testing yet. It took 3 weeks
    > continuous calling that stupid so called Call Centre where I could
    > talk to an inept employee who didn't know anything about my file.
    > What you are talking about? To scam out more many from us for this
    > underachieving government? No way. You forgot one major factor. We are
    > Canadian taxpayer and not immigrants outside Canada so our rights are
    > a
    > little bit broader than theirs.

Nala

"James Metcalfe" <> wrote in message news:<OGXFb.6209$d%>...
    > Nala
    >
    > Having lived in Detroit for several years I find it curious that you go to
    > Restarants in Detroit when Windsor has many very good restaurants. Perhaps i
    > missed something when I was there. Could you give me a list of your favorite
    > Detroit Restaurants.
    >
    > Jim Metcalfe
    >
    >
-------------------

Hi Jim,

I have never had a meal in Detroit. There are a couple of restaurants
outside Detroit that we normally go to. It really does depend on what
you like.

I lived in Toronto most of my life and eat mainly fish. When I moved
to Windsor, I found that it didn't have a lot of options (in terms of
fish) other than Salmon. I find that there is more variety (for fish)
when I cross the border than in Windsor. However, here are my
recommendations.

For good fish try Charley's Crab in Troy, Michigan. They do a
wonderful Dover Sole. If you want to sample some of the food, try the
buffet on Sunday, it's to die for! It goes until 3pm and is $25 per
person. They have tons of food, all you can eat, fresh and not just
fish. It's worth the drive.

Kruse and Muir (in Rochester Hills) is great too. The have the best
fresh bread and a great menu. You might have problems getting in on
Friday and Saturday between 6-9pm so book reservations ahead or you
might have 1-2 hour wait!

If you want a good steak try Café Zola in Ann Arbor. I normally don't
eat American beef, but this place is amazing! The beef is organic,
pasture feed and it is too die for. Tender, juicy and just amazing.
You will taste the difference in their meat from other meat. If you
want a great gourmet hamburger go there. The price is not bad for what
you get. The steak is also good. Since it is fresh, there may be times
when it is sold out. When you get there ask if they are out of
anything

McCormick & Schmick's (by Somerset Mall) has great food too. The crab
cakes are to die for and the desserts are amazing. If you really want
good chicken and can stand a long drive, take a trip to Frankenmuth.
The Bavarian Inn is famous for it's chicken. It's a nice little area
too.

If you like Italian, I stay in Windsor. Erie street has a couple of
good restaurants. If you want a great *authentic* Italian meal, drive
down to Amherstburg (20 minutes outside Windsor). There's a place
called Don Luciano's. The owner makes the best Italian food around
(he's trained a number of chefs on Erie Street). His food is fresh and
to die for! He's a great guy and an amazing cook, but he gives a lot
of food so go there really hungry! Also get there before 8pm. The
place is small and it can get really packed so he might turn you away.
It's best to call ahead

Down the street there's a place called Caldwell's Grant (use to be
Bullock Tavern). They do really good food and sometimes have live
entertainment on Friday and Saturday. If you want food that's unique,
try Porcino. It's not traditional Italian, but it is quite good. I
find the people a bit stuffy at times. For good French try Elaine's
Bistro. The food is good, but I'm not too fond of the atmosphere-a bit
stuffy too.

Those are most of the ones that I can think of at the top of my head.
If you want addresses let me know and I'll get them for you.

Regards,

Nala

Webcrawler

John --

You have been on this group for a very long time now.
Please stop promoting your political ideas here.
We all know (and barely tolerate) your hatred for Quebec and the French
culture.
We can do very well without this new political idea that you are promoting.
Kindly do so in the political newsgroups on the UseNet.
Hope you understand.

"John D" <> wrote in message
news:XPRFb.5404$d%...
    > One solution....
    > http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/home.htm
    > "Nala" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > This whole PR card issue is a mess.
    > >
    > > We Iive outside Windsor, Ontario. I am a Canadian Citizen. My husband
    > > is a Landed Immigrant from Germany who works in the USA and crosses
    > > the border on a daily basis. Yesterday we went across the border-as we
    > > do every weekend- for dinner. My husband applied for Canadian
    > > Citizenship in May 2003. He was sent a letter in July confirming that
    > > they received his application. He was also sent the book to study for
    > > his test. He did not apply for his resident card as he applied for
    > > citizenship.
    > >
    > > Yesterday we were driving home from dinner and drove up to the Cnadian
    > > border booth with our id's. The agent in the booth told my husband
    > > that he would not be let into the country as of December- if my
    > > husband doesn't have a resident card. My husband has his Landed papers
    > > and shows it when we cross-with his German passport. My husband told
    > > him that he has applied for citizenship in May and is waiting for the
    > > test date to come in. The guy in the booth told him come December 31-
    > > if he doesn't get the card, my husband would not be allowed into
    > > Canada when he is coming back from work- even though he drives his car
    > > to the US and is not using a commercial carrier.
    > >
    > > Then when my husband told the agent he doesn't know what he's taking
    > > about, the guy told him well he read this information in the
    > > "newspaper". He agent admitted has not been told anything official. He
    > > then tells my husband that he is a Customs Agent *not* immigration! He
    > > then says we should ask immigration about this because this is wat he
    > > knows! My husband then comes home and is worried to death that he
    > > can't get his card in time for out car trip on the 30 of December and
    > > won't be able to come home when he has to go to work. I told him not
    > > to listen to that customs idiot, but my husband did not believe me.
    > >
    > > I don't understand why Canadian Customs agents are telling Landed
    > > immigrant this info as *fact* when they are: 1-not informed of it
    > > officially
    > > 2- read it in a newspaper
    > > 3- are not immigration officers
    > > 4- have no clue what they are talking about
    > >
    > > I also don't understand why if someone has applied for Canadian
    > > Citizenship, they are not given an official id number? The same
    > > information for citizenship is the same information my husband would
    > > give to get his resident card. Why doesn't immigration just send the
    > > card while processing the info? Why do they need a new application for
    > > a resident card when they have all the information for the Citizen
    > > application? These people don't know what they are doing.
    > >
    > > The immigration office times are outrageous and not practical. My
    > > husband pays more in taxes than most citizens do because of his
    > > income. He has all the Canadian id's any citizen would, just not the
    > > citizenship card. Now this *Customs* agent is giving himself the
    > > authority to make decision about whether or not my husband can or
    > > can't come home because he doesn't have some card? When was customs
    > > given this authority?
    > >
    > > I hope no one else experiences this idiot at the Windsor/Detroit
    > > border because he is giving misinformed information and is causing
    > > distress to people that is not necessary. Frankly I wish we got his
    > > name because he needs to be reported!

Cicero

"We all know (and barely tolerate) ..... culture. We can do.."



Who are "WE"? Could you refrain, kindly, hiding behind other people
with "WE" and speak for yourself, please?



Thank you.