Sascha

    > Chirac and Schroder are in power that long?

Both have not attacked any country to my knowledge.
They wouldn't get away with it if they did, though.

John Bermont

Sjoerd wrote:
    > Four more years of Bush. More war, less freedom, more corporate robbery.
    > Ordinary people will suffer.
    >
    > It is a sad day for the world. Let's all fight America with all peaceful
    > means. Don't buy American products. Don't travel to the US.
    >
    > And it seems the constitutional ban on same-sex marriage has passed in 10 or
    > even all 11 states where it was on the ballot. A victory for intolerant
    > Christian fundamentalists. The US is rapidly becoming the Christian
    > equivalent of Iran.
    >
Sjoerd,

If you cry too much you might flood the land.

Maybe you Europeans could clean up your own house before you tell us how
to run ours.

I'll come back to Holland because it still gives me a chuckle to see you
leftists ranting over American foreign policy, while taking at least as
much benefit from it.

Stay on topic in this NG. You are not going to convert anyone as the
parrot of the Volkskrant.

John Bermont

Pmlt

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:15:21 GMT, John Bermont
<> wrote:

    >I'll come back to Holland because it still gives me a chuckle to see you
    >leftists ranting over American foreign policy, while taking at least as
    >much benefit from it.


It's oh so difficult to understand that "being against Bush" is not
similar to "leftist" and not similar to "being agaist USA".

Go Fig

In article <>, PTravel
<> wrote:

    > "Go Fig" <> wrote in message
    > news:031120041133202963%...
    > > In article <dsidnfrle5p8sBTcRVn->, Miguel Cruz
    > > <> wrote:
    > >
    > > > Go Fig <> wrote:
    > > > > PTravel <> wrote:
    > > > >> I am NOT suggesting that all Democrats are necessarily educated,
    > > > >> culturally-sophisticated professionals and all Republicans are
    > necessarily
    > > > >> semi-literate, uneducated Walmart cashiers. However, there is an
    > absolute
    > > > >> correlation between how a state voted and the education level of its
    > > > >> populace.
    > > > >>
    > > > >> Educated, culturally aware people travel internationally.
    > Statistically,
    > > > >> they are far more likely to be (a) democrats, and (b) from an urban
    > area in
    > > > >> the west coast,
    > > > >
    > > > > Like Compton, South Central, East Oakland and Watts... good grief !
    > > >
    > > > Paul probably should have said "Democratic VOTERS". Turnout in Compton
    > is not
    > > > great.
    > >
    > > What he should of done is shown the statistical research, "far more
    > > likely" is quite a threshold to prove.
    >
    > Okay. I don't have all the factors yet,


I'll say!

Where is the travel component ?? That was YOUR thesis!

jay
Wed Nov 03, 2004
mailto:




    > but I did get these from the U.S.
    > Census for 2000. Here's a list of states that shows how they voted in 2004
    > and their rankings with respect to the number of college graduates and
    > median income.
    >
    > Conclusion: States that voted Democratic have, on average, a better
    > educated, higher-income population than states that voted Republican.
    >
    > First column: D= Democrat, R=Republic
    > Second column: State name
    > Third column: People over 25 with a college degree
    > Fourth column: Median income
    >
    >
    > D District of Columbia 1 24
    > D Massachusetts 2 5
    > R Colorado 3 10
    > D Connecticut 4 3
    > D Maryland 5 2
    > R Virginia 6 7
    > D New Jersey 7 1
    > D Vermont 8 21
    > D Minnesota 9 12
    > D New Hampshire 10 4
    > D Washington 11 16
    > D New York 12 17
    > D California 13 11
    > D Rhode Island 14 13
    > R Kansas 15 29
    > D Hawaii 16 8
    > D Illinois 17 14
    > D Delaware 18 9
    > R Alaska 19 6
    > D Oregon 20 34
    > R Utah 21 15
    > D Maine 22 36
    > R Montana 23 43
    > R Georgia 24 23
    > R Nebraska 25 27
    > R Florida 26 35
    > R North Dakota 27 42
    > R Texas 28 32
    > R Arizona 29 30
    > D Michigan 30 19
    > R North Carolina 31 41
    > D Pennsylvania 32 26
    > R Missouri 33 31
    > R Idaho 34 37
    > R Wisconsin 35 20
    > R New Mexico 36 46
    > R Wyoming 37 22
    > R South Carolina 38 38
    > R South Dakota 39 39
    > R Ohio 40 28
    > R Iowa 41 33
    > R Oklahoma 42 45
    > R Tennessee 43 40
    > R Louisiana 44 49
    > R Alabama 45 44
    > R Indiana 46 25
    > R Nevada 47 18
    > R Arkansas 48 48
    > R Mississippi 49 50
    > R Kentucky 50 47
    > R West Virginia 15 51
    >
    >
    >
    > >
    > > jay
    > > Wed Nov 03, 2004
    > > mailto:
    > >
    > >
    > > >
    > > > miguel
    >

Magda

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:19:16 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, pmlt <> arranged
some electrons, so they looked like this :

... On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:15:21 GMT, John Bermont
... <> wrote:
...
... >I'll come back to Holland because it still gives me a chuckle to see you
... >leftists ranting over American foreign policy, while taking at least as
... >much benefit from it.
...
...
... It's oh so difficult to understand that "being against Bush" is not
... similar to "leftist" and not similar to "being agaist USA".

Be patient with the poor dears, they are so immature and insecure...! To survive, they
still *need* to think - and boast to the world - that they live in the "best country of
all"... ROTFL

Bonita Kale

"Sjoerd" <> wrote in message news:<41887c59$0$78753$>...
    > Four more years of Bush. More war, less freedom, more corporate robbery.
    > Ordinary people will suffer.
    >
    > It is a sad day for the world. Let's all fight America with all peaceful
    > means. Don't buy American products. Don't travel to the US.
    >
    > And it seems the constitutional ban on same-sex marriage has passed in 10 or
    > even all 11 states where it was on the ballot. A victory for intolerant
    > Christian fundamentalists. The US is rapidly becoming the Christian
    > equivalent of Iran.

Thanks. (Really.)


Bonita

Sjoerd

"John Bermont" <> schreef in bericht
news:...
    > Sjoerd wrote:
    > > Four more years of Bush. More war, less freedom, more corporate robbery.
    > > Ordinary people will suffer.
    > >
    > > It is a sad day for the world. Let's all fight America with all peaceful
    > > means. Don't buy American products. Don't travel to the US.
    > >
    > > And it seems the constitutional ban on same-sex marriage has passed in
10 or
    > > even all 11 states where it was on the ballot. A victory for intolerant
    > > Christian fundamentalists. The US is rapidly becoming the Christian
    > > equivalent of Iran.
    > >
    > Sjoerd,
    > If you cry too much you might flood the land.
    > Maybe you Europeans could clean up your own house before you tell us how
    > to run ours.

The difference is that we haven't recently started unjust wars against
countries that didn't attack us. If Bush only had bad domestic policies I
could agree with you. Unfortunately, he has decided that he wants to rule
the world with his fundamentalist Christian agenda.


    > I'll come back to Holland because it still gives me a chuckle to see you
    > leftists ranting over American foreign policy, while taking at least as
    > much benefit from it.

Expect a much more hostile reception if you admit to being a Bush supporter.
Everybody who has voted for Bush yesterday is guilty of war crimes.

    > Stay on topic in this NG. You are not going to convert anyone as the
    > parrot of the Volkskrant.

I am not a parrot of De Volkskrant. The vast majority of the people of the
world believe that the majority of the American people made the wrong choice
today. They will be held accountable.

By the way, I am travelling to Indonesia on Friday and I am happy to see
that after Bush' re-election to dollar dropped another percent against the
euro. So again I will get more rupiah for my euros!

Sjoerd

Devil

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:39:13 -0500, Tom Bellhouse wrote:


    > Expatriation is a real choice, but it's damned difficult. Most of the
    > folks I know around here (yes, the U.S. and yes, the South) who have at
    > least two interconnected neurons are seriously considering it. It's not
    > just the deceit, it's also the prospect of retirement nest-eggs
    > shrinking to nothing. Economics is not the strong suit of the
    > pseudo-Conservative neocon crowd.

I expect the number of people seeking political asylum in Canada will go
up dramatically.

Devil

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:46:46 +0100, nitram wrote:


    > The Euro peaked against the dollar on 17th February 2004

But it's getting close again.

This said, there might not be that much of a move until China finally
figures out they can't keep continuing to bank the US deficit forever.
That buying commodities at an ever increasing price, while selling the
product made from the raw material at a price that's staying flat will
eventually turn into a losing proposition.

When that happens, the dollar will drop again, by a substantial fraction
of the jump of the RMB compared with the USD.

PTravel

"Go Fig" <> wrote in message
news:031120041529433927%...
    > In article <>, PTravel
    > <> wrote:
    > > "Go Fig" <> wrote in message
    > > news:031120041133202963%...
    > > > In article <dsidnfrle5p8sBTcRVn->, Miguel Cruz
    > > > <> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > Go Fig <> wrote:
    > > > > > PTravel <> wrote:
    > > > > >> I am NOT suggesting that all Democrats are necessarily educated,
    > > > > >> culturally-sophisticated professionals and all Republicans are
    > > necessarily
    > > > > >> semi-literate, uneducated Walmart cashiers. However, there is an
    > > absolute
    > > > > >> correlation between how a state voted and the education level of
its
    > > > > >> populace.
    > > > > >>
    > > > > >> Educated, culturally aware people travel internationally.
    > > Statistically,
    > > > > >> they are far more likely to be (a) democrats, and (b) from an
urban
    > > area in
    > > > > >> the west coast,
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Like Compton, South Central, East Oakland and Watts... good grief
!
    > > > >
    > > > > Paul probably should have said "Democratic VOTERS". Turnout in
Compton
    > > is not
    > > > > great.
    > > >
    > > > What he should of done is shown the statistical research, "far more
    > > > likely" is quite a threshold to prove.
    > >
    > > Okay. I don't have all the factors yet,
    > I'll say!
    > Where is the travel component ?? That was YOUR thesis!

That was my HYPOthesis. I don't know any source that correlates travelers
with their states. I was responding to a series of posts which reported a
high percentage of non-Bush supporters travelling in Europe. Since non-Bush
supporters are, primarily, Democrats, and Democratic states corrollate with
higher income and education, it's not a particularly big stretch to say,
people with larger incomes and more education are more likely to travel than
people with smaller incomes and less education, and, therefore, more
Democrats tend to travel.


    > jay
    > Wed Nov 03, 2004
    > mailto:
    > > but I did get these from the U.S.
    > > Census for 2000. Here's a list of states that shows how they voted in
2004
    > > and their rankings with respect to the number of college graduates and
    > > median income.
    > >
    > > Conclusion: States that voted Democratic have, on average, a better
    > > educated, higher-income population than states that voted Republican.
    > >
    > > First column: D= Democrat, R=Republic
    > > Second column: State name
    > > Third column: People over 25 with a college degree
    > > Fourth column: Median income
    > >
    > >
    > > D District of Columbia 1 24
    > > D Massachusetts 2 5
    > > R Colorado 3 10
    > > D Connecticut 4 3
    > > D Maryland 5 2
    > > R Virginia 6 7
    > > D New Jersey 7 1
    > > D Vermont 8 21
    > > D Minnesota 9 12
    > > D New Hampshire 10 4
    > > D Washington 11 16
    > > D New York 12 17
    > > D California 13 11
    > > D Rhode Island 14 13
    > > R Kansas 15 29
    > > D Hawaii 16 8
    > > D Illinois 17 14
    > > D Delaware 18 9
    > > R Alaska 19 6
    > > D Oregon 20 34
    > > R Utah 21 15
    > > D Maine 22 36
    > > R Montana 23 43
    > > R Georgia 24 23
    > > R Nebraska 25 27
    > > R Florida 26 35
    > > R North Dakota 27 42
    > > R Texas 28 32
    > > R Arizona 29 30
    > > D Michigan 30 19
    > > R North Carolina 31 41
    > > D Pennsylvania 32 26
    > > R Missouri 33 31
    > > R Idaho 34 37
    > > R Wisconsin 35 20
    > > R New Mexico 36 46
    > > R Wyoming 37 22
    > > R South Carolina 38 38
    > > R South Dakota 39 39
    > > R Ohio 40 28
    > > R Iowa 41 33
    > > R Oklahoma 42 45
    > > R Tennessee 43 40
    > > R Louisiana 44 49
    > > R Alabama 45 44
    > > R Indiana 46 25
    > > R Nevada 47 18
    > > R Arkansas 48 48
    > > R Mississippi 49 50
    > > R Kentucky 50 47
    > > R West Virginia 15 51
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > >
    > > > jay
    > > > Wed Nov 03, 2004
    > > > mailto:
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > miguel
    > >
    > >