Market Mutant

Dual Citizenship: China and Canada

Can a Canadian Citizen use his/her Chinese passport to apply for a long term
visitor visa in Canadian embassy?

This question is to get around the Chinese exit control system.

James Metcalfe

I believe you will find that the Embassy will not issue you a visa in these
circumstances.

Jim Metcalfe





"Market Mutant" <> wrote in message
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    > Dual Citizenship: China and Canada
    > Can a Canadian Citizen use his/her Chinese passport to apply for a long
term
    > visitor visa in Canadian embassy?
    > This question is to get around the Chinese exit control system.

Peter Wu

"Market Mutant" <> writes:

    > Dual Citizenship: China and Canada

China does not recognize dual citizenship.

    > Can a Canadian Citizen use his/her Chinese passport to apply for a long term
    > visitor visa in Canadian embassy?

I'm afraid this is illegal. Once you get your Canadian citizenship, your
Chinese nationality will be revoked and, thus, your Chinese passport will
be invalid.

    > This question is to get around the Chinese exit control system.

Why can't you use your Canadian passport to enter Canada as you are
already a Canadian?

Observer

How about Chinese government exit control?

"Peter Wu" <> wrote in message
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    > "Market Mutant" <> writes:
    > > Dual Citizenship: China and Canada
    > China does not recognize dual citizenship.
    > > Can a Canadian Citizen use his/her Chinese passport to apply for a long
term
    > > visitor visa in Canadian embassy?
    > I'm afraid this is illegal. Once you get your Canadian citizenship, your
    > Chinese nationality will be revoked and, thus, your Chinese passport will
    > be invalid.
    > > This question is to get around the Chinese exit control system.
    > Why can't you use your Canadian passport to enter Canada as you are
    > already a Canadian?
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    > Peter Wu
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Peter Wu

"observer" <> writes:

    > How about Chinese government exit control?

What kind of exit control do you mean here?

Observer

In some country, citizen has to apply departure permit with country passport
and foreign visa.

"Peter Wu" <> wrote in message
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    > "observer" <> writes:
    > > How about Chinese government exit control?
    > What kind of exit control do you mean here?
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    > Peter Wu
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Tam

    > China does not recognize dual citizenship.

Almost no country "recognizes" dual citizenship. All "recognize" that it
exists as a conflict-of-laws matter. But the Good Friday Agreement, and
certain (mostly obsolete) consular conventions between the US and Eastern
European former Soviet satellite countries and some Russia and China
nationality treaties, address the issue.

The Good Friday agreement (and UK practice) specifically allow persons with
a Northern Ireland connection to present themselves as Irish, British, or
both.

The Consular conventions provided that Poland, etc. would not assert Polish
nationality against naturalized US citizens traveling to Poland for short (<
90 day) visits as tourists.

The China agreements were designed to put Indonesia, etc. at ease after the
mass slaughter of ethnic Chinese, against the perceived threat of a "fifth
column".

The point of non-recognition is simply that a person claimed by a state as
its national cannot assert a right to diplomatic or consular protection by
another state of claimed nationality. China law provides for divestiture of
Chinese nationality in many or most or (theoretically) all cases, but in
fact that's impossible.

Market Mutant

Here is the more story to it.

China will not allow somebody with Canadain passport but without Chinese
visa to LEAVE China.

In the past, somebody with both Canadian and Chinese passports entered China
and broke political laws in China. The government will arrest the person if
he/she has Chinese passport entering as Chinese citizens, and will deport
the person if enterinng with Canadian passport as Canadian citizen.

One way could be applying US visa using Chinese P and stating being
Canadian. Then travel with Chinese passport with US visa leaving China for
US en route to Canada, then use Canadian passport to enter US and Canada.

But the problem is that will US embassy issue visa on Chinese passport who
is also Canadian?

Peter Wu

"observer" <> writes:

    > In some country, citizen has to apply departure permit with country passport
    > and foreign visa.

Well, in China, you don't have to apply for departure permit. Once you
have a foreign visa stamped on your Chinese passport, you can go abroad
as long as the passport and the visa are valid.

I don't know if this is kind of 'exit control'.

Peter Wu

Tam <> writes:

    >> China does not recognize dual citizenship.
    > Almost no country "recognizes" dual citizenship. All "recognize" that it
    > exists as a conflict-of-laws matter.

Well, let's say once a Chinese citizen obtains his or her Canadian
citizenship, he or she will lose his or her Chinese citizenship and
nationality.

    > The China agreements were designed to put Indonesia, etc. at ease after the
    > mass slaughter of ethnic Chinese, against the perceived threat of a "fifth
    > column".

Where can I find more detailed information on these agreements? AFAIK,
China decided not to support, or whatever, dual-citizenship after the new
Communist goverment was established. This happened decades before the
slaughter of ethnic Chinese a few years ago.

    > The point of non-recognition is simply that a person claimed by a state as
    > its national cannot assert a right to diplomatic or consular protection by
    > another state of claimed nationality. China law provides for divestiture of
    > Chinese nationality in many or most or (theoretically) all cases, but in
    > fact that's impossible.

I'm a little confused here. Do you mean that 'China law makes it possible
for Chinese citizens to lose their nationalities but the Chinese citizens
can still be considered Chinese nationals'? Did I read you wrong?

If I understood you correctly, I'm afraid it is not true. As I said
earlier, once you get your Canadian citizenship, your Chinese nationality ceases.

If you want to go to China, you must go to Chinese Embassy to secure a
Chinese visa on your Canadian passport as you are no longer a Chinese
citizen, thus you need a visa.

If I read you wrong, please correct me.