The O'Neills

Hi,

A month(ish) ago my hubby was offered a job based in Adelaide with
Halliburton, he accepted and we haven't heard much since. Last week the
company asked for cirtificates, passports etc, and then today they sent
the visa application form via email. They said that they want Bing in
Oz by December!

We assumed we had plenty of time to organise everything, can the 457
visa really be granted that quickly?

Any advice would be appreciated, thanks

Nic.

Mbike

> Hi,
>
> A month(ish) ago my hubby was offered a job based in Adelaide with
> Halliburton, he accepted and we haven't heard much since. Last week
> the company asked for cirtificates, passports etc, and then today they
> sent the visa application form via email. They said that they want
> Bing in Oz by December!
>
> We assumed we had plenty of time to organise everything, can the 457
> visa really be granted that quickly?
>
> Any advice would be appreciated, thanks
>
> Nic.

First they nominate your husband for a temporary position they need to
fill, and then he has to provide all the info for application as a
temporary resident. Because it is a temporary visa with quite
restrictive conditions, DIMIA tend to do them quite quickly. Ours was
sorted in a matter of weeks. Meds and x-rays can be obtained quite
easily (but costly) from specialist panel doctors - I think we had to
wait a week. If you have any longer term plans for Oz, it is worth
applying for your PCC and getting it sent on. Try and get you hubby's
employer to agree to PR ENS sponsorship after a trial period. Otherwise
you are a bit of a second-class citizen when you get out here.

Mark

The O'Neills

> First they nominate your husband for a temporary position they need
> to fill, and then he has to provide all the info for application as
> a temporary resident. Because it is a temporary visa with quite
> restrictive conditions, DIMIA tend to do them quite quickly. Ours
> was sorted in a matter of weeks. Meds and x-rays can be obtained
> quite easily (but costly) from specialist panel doctors - I think we
> had to wait a week. If you have any longer term plans for Oz, it is
> worth applying for your PCC and getting it sent on. Try and get you
> hubby's employer to agree to PR ENS sponsorship after a trial
> period. Otherwise you are a bit of a second-class citizen when you
> get out here.
>
> Mark

Thanks Mark,

What's a PCC?

Jaj

> First they nominate your husband for a temporary position they need
> to fill, and then he has to provide all the info for application as
> a temporary resident. Because it is a temporary visa with quite
> restrictive conditions, DIMIA tend to do them quite quickly. Ours
> was sorted in a matter of weeks. Meds and x-rays can be obtained
> quite easily (but costly) from specialist panel doctors - I think we
> had to wait a week. If you have any longer term plans for Oz, it is
> worth applying for your PCC and getting it sent on. Try and get you
> hubby's employer to agree to PR ENS sponsorship after a trial
> period. Otherwise you are a bit of a second-class citizen when you
> get out here.
>
> Mark

Better still, get the employer to sponsor for a permanent migration
visa. There is absolutely no obligation to sponsor for a temporary
visa first.

Jaj

> Thanks Mark,
>
> What's a PCC?

Police clearance certificate. Read form 47p:
http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/pdf/47p.pdf

Mbike

> Thanks Mark,
>
> What's a PCC?

Police Clearance. It's a standard form from your local police authority
confirming your criminal record (or not). It forms part of the character
assessment you need to undertake for PR.

Mark

Mbike

> Better still, get the employer to sponsor for a permanent migration
> visa. There is absolutely no obligation to sponsor for a temporary
> visa first.

Correct. But in my experience the company wanted me out asap and
couldn't guarantee the job would still be open for the 3 months+ ENS
would take. One year in to the contract, they agreed to sponsor me for
onshore ENS PR.

IMO until they bolt down the ENS 3 year nominee commitment (in the same
way as the RMS visa holder is tied), employers will continue to shy away
from sponsoring new workers who could easily up and leave the company at
the end of day one with full PR rights.

Mark

Jaj

> Correct. But in my experience the company wanted me out asap and
> couldn't guarantee the job would still be open for the 3 months+ ENS
> would take. One year in to the contract, they agreed to sponsor me for
> onshore ENS PR.
>
> IMO until they bolt down the ENS 3 year nominee commitment (in the
> same way as the RMS visa holder is tied), employers will continue to
> shy away from sponsoring new workers who could easily up and leave the
> company at the end of day one with full PR rights.
>
> Mark

So what would have happened if the 457 had taken months? (happens
sometimes)

And the excuse they give is absolutely no reason for waiting a year.




I disagree. A good employer should have confidence that the terms and
conditions are such that employees won't want to do that.

An employment relationship is fundamentally a matter of trust. Barring
expatriate assignments, an employer is basically expecting their new
employee to uproot themselves from overseas and settle in Australia.
Employer is expecting employee to trust them a lot, why not reciprocate
a little and sort out a permanent visa from Day 1.

And DIMA figures show that some employers do just that.

A wait of a few months is not normally a problem if it's the right
candidate for the job and often Australian candidates can't start
immediately either if they have to work out a notice period.

Mbike

> So what would have happened if the 457 had taken months? (happens
> sometimes)
>
> And the excuse they give is absolutely no reason for waiting a year.
>
>
>
>
> I disagree. A good employer should have confidence that the terms and
> conditions are such that employees won't want to do that.
>
> An employment relationship is fundamentally a matter of trust. Barring
> expatriate assignments, an employer is basically expecting their new
> employee to uproot themselves from overseas and settle in Australia.
> Employer is expecting employee to trust them a lot, why not
> reciprocate a little and sort out a permanent visa from Day 1.
>
> And DIMA figures show that some employers do just that.
>
> A wait of a few months is not normally a problem if it's the right
> candidate for the job and often Australian candidates can't start
> immediately either if they have to work out a notice period.

Trust is vital, agreed. And there is a large commitment on the part of
the emigre. But some people seem so desperate to emigrate to Australia
(especially those aged 40+ who are basically stuffed on Skilled
Independent points) that a willing nominating employer might seem like
the "easy" option for them. Once they're in Oz there's very little that
company can do if they decide to up and leave for another job or
another city.

It makes you wonder the reasons behind the recent modification of Q89 on
the 47es to oblige ENS applicants to agree to stay with their
nominating company for 3 years. Although it doesn't have legal backing
(like RMS) it does seem to be a step in a certain direction.

Mark