Cody

Last summer my friend was granted Asylum status. He has a Refugee
travel passport, I think. He wants to travel to his home country
(Russia). His original Russian passport was confiscated when he
claimed asylum status, and his family back home is getting another one
reissued to him. HIS PLAN: Go from the USA to another country (maybe
Poland) on his refugee docoment. Then go from Poland to Russia on his
Russian passport. Return the same way - Russia to Poland on Russian
passport, Poland to USA on Refugee travel document, with the
asusmption that upon his return to USA, officials won't be aware of
his travel to Russia.

I'm very concerned about this, I'm afraid somehow he won't be allowed
back to USA. Can anyone provide advice??? How sophisticated are the
checkpoints against this?

Also, will it be a problem in Poland when he leaves for Russia, and
there is no entry stamp in his Russian passport (since he entered on a
refugee document)?

Thehelper

"Cody" <> wrote in message
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    > Last summer my friend was granted Asylum status. He has a Refugee
    > travel passport, I think. He wants to travel to his home country
    > (Russia). His original Russian passport was confiscated when he
    > claimed asylum status, and his family back home is getting another one
    > reissued to him. HIS PLAN: Go from the USA to another country (maybe
    > Poland) on his refugee docoment. Then go from Poland to Russia on his
    > Russian passport. Return the same way - Russia to Poland on Russian
    > passport, Poland to USA on Refugee travel document, with the
    > asusmption that upon his return to USA, officials won't be aware of
    > his travel to Russia.

wow!!!!!! what a fraud. This proves why US should stop accepting all these
phony refugees. what an asshole. some poor idiot might have been already
tortured
to death, because this fraud took his place

    > I'm very concerned about this, I'm afraid somehow he won't be allowed
    > back to USA. Can anyone provide advice??? How sophisticated are the
    > checkpoints against this?
    > Also, will it be a problem in Poland when he leaves for Russia, and
    > there is no entry stamp in his Russian passport (since he entered on a
    > refugee document)?

Takeshi Furuyashiki

Thehelper wrote:

    > "Cody" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    >>Last summer my friend was granted Asylum status. He has a Refugee
    >>travel passport, I think. He wants to travel to his home country
    >>(Russia). His original Russian passport was confiscated when he
    >>claimed asylum status, and his family back home is getting another one
    >>reissued to him. HIS PLAN: Go from the USA to another country (maybe
    >>Poland) on his refugee docoment. Then go from Poland to Russia on his
    >>Russian passport. Return the same way - Russia to Poland on Russian
    >>passport, Poland to USA on Refugee travel document, with the
    >>asusmption that upon his return to USA, officials won't be aware of
    >>his travel to Russia.
    >
    >
    > wow!!!!!! what a fraud. This proves why US should stop accepting all these
    > phony refugees. what an asshole. some poor idiot might have been already
    > tortured to death, because this fraud took his place

Oh, come on: everyone in Washington knows that accepting refugees from
Russia was always a purely political thing. I can't imagine that anyone
from Russia can be (or could be) a bona fide refugee. According to
Japanese media, Russia has more illegal immigrants than the United
States does, 10 million or so - how come all there Africans, Indians,
Chinese, etc., come rushing into Russia if things are so bad as to
warrant refugee-status granting? Damn, by girlfriend from the University
of Tokyo now lives in Siberia and refuses to go back to Japan! Refugees
my ass!!!

But seriously, if your friend does not get stuck in Poland or Russia, he
is extremely unlikely to have any problems in the United States. Even if
caught, he can tell them a story about "having to sneak in to take care
of an urgent family business; avoiding authorities...".

    >>Also, will it be a problem in Poland when he leaves for Russia, and
    >>there is no entry stamp in his Russian passport (since he entered on a
    >>refugee document)?

Now that may be problematic. Some countries monitor such things quite
closely. Poland sounds like a wise choice - a relatively decent country
that is still in somewhat of a mess. Or try Italy.

Cheers,

Keshi

Ingo Pakleppa - See Web Site For Email

The US often does take the position that travel back to the home country
is evidence that it is safe, and could rescind the asylum.

It's not always true. Sometimes, you can present evidence that travel to
that country would be safe, but living there would be unsafe.

As for the Poland vs. Russia situation, I really can't tell you much.

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:13:46 -0800, Cody wrote:

    > Last summer my friend was granted Asylum status. He has a Refugee travel
    > passport, I think. He wants to travel to his home country (Russia). His
    > original Russian passport was confiscated when he claimed asylum status,
    > and his family back home is getting another one reissued to him. HIS
    > PLAN: Go from the USA to another country (maybe Poland) on his refugee
    > docoment. Then go from Poland to Russia on his Russian passport. Return
    > the same way - Russia to Poland on Russian passport, Poland to USA on
    > Refugee travel document, with the asusmption that upon his return to
    > USA, officials won't be aware of his travel to Russia.
    >
    > I'm very concerned about this, I'm afraid somehow he won't be allowed
    > back to USA. Can anyone provide advice??? How sophisticated are the
    > checkpoints against this?
    >
    > Also, will it be a problem in Poland when he leaves for Russia, and
    > there is no entry stamp in his Russian passport (since he entered on a
    > refugee document)?

Supernav

Plenty of asylum seekers wind up travelling back to their country
immediately after they get their GC. There's no law stopping them
unfortunately, and even II officers, althrough really disgusted when
they encounter you -- have to let you in.



You'd be surprised how many cubans and others travel back to Cuba. The
same place that they say is so horrible that they deserve immediate
asylum status from the INS. Yet have no problem going back to vacation,
and relax on the beach and visit relatives and enjoy Castro's best, yet
say elsewise when they're in the US.



-= nav =-

Ingo Pakleppa - See Web Site For Email

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:34:51 +0000, supernav wrote:


    > Plenty of asylum seekers wind up travelling back to their country
    > immediately after they get their GC. There's no law stopping them
    > unfortunately, and even II officers, althrough really disgusted when
    > they encounter you -- have to let you in.

Actually, this is specifically addressed by some regulations.

    > You'd be surprised how many cubans and others travel back to Cuba. The
    > same place that they say is so horrible that they deserve immediate
    > asylum status from the INS.

Cubans usually do not receive asylum, but rather some other special
immigration treatment.

    > Yet have no problem going back to vacation, and relax on the beach and
    > visit relatives and enjoy Castro's best, yet say elsewise when they're
    > in the US.

One of the benefits Cubans enjoy is that they don't have to prove
persecution. As soon as they set foot on US soil (beyond the high-water
mark), they are almost automatically entitled to a Green Card. The only
exception would apply if they were excludable for some other reason, such
as a criminal history.

So Cubans are a very poor choice of example here.