Terence Wilson

I have downloaded the appropriate pdf forms. The instructions specify:

If child born outside the United Kingdom or a place which is still a
dependent territory: Child’s consular or High Commission birth
certificate, and if...

How do I obtain such a thing? Is this the only way?

Lucy

"Terence Wilson" <> wrote in message
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    > I have downloaded the appropriate pdf forms. The instructions specify:
    > If child born outside the United Kingdom or a place which is still a
    > dependent territory: Child's consular or High Commission birth
    > certificate, and if...
    > How do I obtain such a thing? Is this the only way?

To be eligible for a British passport, the child's birth must have been
registered in the Consular Register. If you haven't done that, see:

http://www.britainusa.com/consular/o...5&Other_ID=509

for details.

When you register the birth, you have the option to purchase a copy of the
consular birth certificate. If you already registered the birth, but didn't
get the certificate, I'm sure you can request a copy now, for the
appropriate fee.

Lucy

Jaj

While it is advisable to register the birth of a child to a British
citizen overseas, in the situations where British citizenship is
automatically passed on it is *not* legally necessary.

One of the reasons it's advisable however is because in some
circumstances the child needs to be formally registered as a British
citizen (with the Home Office), for which there will be a time limit (as
soon as 12 months after birth in some cases). Children have missed out
on British citizenship because their parents *thought* the child was
British but never sought to document that status immediately. Hence
when the child later on looked for a passport, the application was
refused and it was too late to make an application for registration as a
British citizen.

Jeremy

Lucy wrote:
    > "Terence Wilson" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    >>I have downloaded the appropriate pdf forms. The instructions specify:
    >>If child born outside the United Kingdom or a place which is still a
    >>dependent territory: Child's consular or High Commission birth
    >>certificate, and if...
    >>How do I obtain such a thing? Is this the only way?
    >
    >
    > To be eligible for a British passport, the child's birth must have been
    > registered in the Consular Register. If you haven't done that, see:
    >
    > http://www.britainusa.com/consular/o...5&Other_ID=509
    >
    > for details.
    >
    > When you register the birth, you have the option to purchase a copy of the
    > consular birth certificate. If you already registered the birth, but didn't
    > get the certificate, I'm sure you can request a copy now, for the
    > appropriate fee.
    >
    > Lucy
    >
    >

Ken Pisichko

My wife was born in England and came with her parents to Canada with a
"British" Passport. She has been a Canadian citizen for most of her life.
However, the British consulate here in Canada informs her that our two
boys (born in Canada) are eligible for "British" Passports once the
paperwork and appropriate fees are paid.

Interestingly, they will also have "right of abode" in the UK. If they
have the "British" Passport don't they have "British" citizenship?

I note that the Canadian Passport no longer has us described as "British"
subjects.

Isn't the "British" passport acknowledgment of citizenship?

Ken in Canada
-30C here this morning in "Winterpeg" ;-)

Terence Wilson wrote:

    > If child born outside the United Kingdom or a place which is still a
    > dependent territory: Child’s consular or High Commission birth
    > certificate, and if...
    > How do I obtain such a thing? Is this the only way?

Jaj

I don't know why you put the word "British" in inverted commas when you
don't do so for Canadian.

As your wife was born in England she's a British citizen. She would not
have lost this status by becoming Canadian.

Your sons - I'm presuming born on or after 1 January 1983 - are
automatically British citizens by descent. Hence they are eligible for
British passports.

All British citizens have 'right of abode' in the UK. However, there
are some Canadians and citizens of other Commonwealth countries who also
have 'right of abode' in the UK but do not have British citizenship.

Jeremy

Ken Pisichko wrote:

    > My wife was born in England and came with her parents to Canada with a
    > "British" Passport. She has been a Canadian citizen for most of her life.
    > However, the British consulate here in Canada informs her that our two
    > boys (born in Canada) are eligible for "British" Passports once the
    > paperwork and appropriate fees are paid.
    >
    > Interestingly, they will also have "right of abode" in the UK. If they
    > have the "British" Passport don't they have "British" citizenship?
    >
    > I note that the Canadian Passport no longer has us described as "British"
    > subjects.
    >
    > Isn't the "British" passport acknowledgment of citizenship?
    >
    > Ken in Canada
    > -30C here this morning in "Winterpeg" ;-)
    >
    > Terence Wilson wrote:
    >
    >
    >>If child born outside the United Kingdom or a place which is still a
    >>dependent territory: Child’s consular or High Commission birth
    >>certificate, and if...
    >>How do I obtain such a thing? Is this the only way?
    >
    >

J. J. Farrell

"Ken Pisichko" <> wrote in message
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    > Interestingly, they will also have "right of abode" in the UK. If they
    > have the "British" Passport don't they have "British" citizenship?

If they have a British passport, then they have some form of British
citizenship. Some forms of British citizenship grant right of abode
in the UK; others don't.

J. J. Farrell

"JAJ" <> wrote in message
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    > All British citizens have 'right of abode' in the UK. However, there
    > are some Canadians and citizens of other Commonwealth countries who also
    > have 'right of abode' in the UK but do not have British citizenship.

The first sentence is literally true, but doesn't tell the full story.
There are at least two types of citizenship associated with the UK.
One of these is "British Citizen" which gives right of abode in the UK.
Another is "British Overseas Citizen" which does not give right of abode
in the UK.

P Pron

J. J. Farrell wrote:
    > "JAJ" <> wrote in message
    > news:bv1bpj$dua$...
    >> All British citizens have 'right of abode' in the UK. However,
there
    >> are some Canadians and citizens of other Commonwealth countries who
    >> also have 'right of abode' in the UK but do not have British
    >> citizenship.
    > The first sentence is literally true, but doesn't tell the full
story.
    > There are at least two types of citizenship associated with the UK.
    > One of these is "British Citizen" which gives right of abode in the
    > UK. Another is "British Overseas Citizen" which does not give right
    > of abode in the UK.

Heaven forfend that I should put words in Jeremy's mouth, but since
the question was about the child of a UK-born mother, it is hardly
surprising that he didn't mention British overseas citizenship or
British overseas territories citizenship, or the statuses of British
National (Overseas), British subject and British protected person.
They're not relevant to the issue at hand.

paul

J. J. Farrell

"P Pron" <> wrote in message
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    > J. J. Farrell wrote:
    > > "JAJ" <> wrote in message
    > > news:bv1bpj$dua$...
    > >>
    > >> All British citizens have 'right of abode' in the UK. However,
    > there
    > >> are some Canadians and citizens of other Commonwealth countries who
    > >> also have 'right of abode' in the UK but do not have British
    > >> citizenship.
    > >
    > > The first sentence is literally true, but doesn't tell the full
    > story.
    > > There are at least two types of citizenship associated with the UK.
    > > One of these is "British Citizen" which gives right of abode in the
    > > UK. Another is "British Overseas Citizen" which does not give right
    > > of abode in the UK.
    > Heaven forfend that I should put words in Jeremy's mouth, but since
    > the question was about the child of a UK-born mother, it is hardly
    > surprising that he didn't mention British overseas citizenship or
    > British overseas territories citizenship, or the statuses of British
    > National (Overseas), British subject and British protected person.
    > They're not relevant to the issue at hand.

Indeed - no criticism was intended. These messages become part of
a permanent archive that people often search. Someone coming across
Jeremy's statement, and not fully considering the thread context,
might be misled. This was an attempt to get a message nearby to
point out that "British citizens" in a more general sense do not
necessarily have right of abode.

Lucy

"JAJ" <> wrote in message
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<snip>

    > One of the reasons it's advisable however is because in some
    > circumstances the child needs to be formally registered as a British
    > citizen (with the Home Office), for which there will be a time limit (as
    > soon as 12 months after birth in some cases).

<snip>

In which circumstances would there be a time limit?

I have not registered my daughter's birth and she's over a year old now.

Lucy