Tam

On 26/1/04 8:55, in article
mC4Rb.27224$, "J. J. Farrell"
<> wrote:

    >> Heaven forfend that I should put words in Jeremy's mouth, but since
    >> the question was about the child of a UK-born mother, it is hardly
    >> surprising that he didn't mention British overseas citizenship or
    >> British overseas territories citizenship, or the statuses of British
    >> National (Overseas), British subject and British protected person.
    >> They're not relevant to the issue at hand.
    >
    > Indeed - no criticism was intended. These messages become part of
    > a permanent archive that people often search. Someone coming across
    > Jeremy's statement, and not fully considering the thread context,
    > might be misled. This was an attempt to get a message nearby to
    > point out that "British citizens" in a more general sense do not
    > necessarily have right of abode.

But if we're going to be pedantic today:

"3Â*Â*Conferral on British overseas territories citizens
Â*
Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*"(1) Any person who, immediately before the commencement of this
section, is a British overseas territories citizen shall, on the
commencement of this section, become a British citizen.
Â*
Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*"(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person who is a British
overseas territories citizen by virtue only of a connection with the
Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia."

Except that it seems to me that most of those (Akrotiri and Dhekelia people)
will be British citizens anyway by dint of being born to British military or
civil servants. Or they will likely be (unless they happen to be asylum
seekers or ethnic Turkish Cypriots whom the Cypriot Government rejects for
reason, perhaps, of Turkish mainland connection or non-recognition of TRNC
birth registration documents) Cypriot citizens, and hence Commonwealth
Citizens and, soon, EU citizens.


http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2002/20008--a.htm#2Â*

P Pron

Tam wrote:
    > But if we're going to be pedantic today:
    > "3 Conferral on British overseas territories citizens
    > "(1) Any person who, immediately before the commencement of this
    > section, is a British overseas territories citizen shall, on the
    > commencement of this section, become a British citizen.
    > "(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person who is a British
    > overseas territories citizen by virtue only of a connection with the
    > Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia."
    > Except that it seems to me that most of those (Akrotiri and Dhekelia
    > people) will be British citizens anyway by dint of being born to
    > British military or civil servants. Or they will likely be (unless
    > they happen to be asylum seekers or ethnic Turkish Cypriots whom the
    > Cypriot Government rejects for reason, perhaps, of Turkish mainland
    > connection or non-recognition of TRNC birth registration documents)
    > Cypriot citizens, and hence Commonwealth Citizens and, soon, EU
    > citizens.
    > http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2002/20008--a.htm#2

I'm not sure where this is taking us, having started in Canada with a
child whose mother was born in the UK, but BOTCs *are* Commonwealth
citizens whether they're also citizens of Cyprus or anywhere else.....

Right, that's enough pedantry - let's try for relevance next, shall
we?

    
paul

Jaj

There would be a time limit if you were British by descent. ie,
generally, you acquired your own British citizenship not by birth or
naturalisation in the UK, but by descent from a parent.

Jeremy


    >
    >>One of the reasons it's advisable however is because in some
    >>circumstances the child needs to be formally registered as a British
    >>citizen (with the Home Office), for which there will be a time limit (as
    >>soon as 12 months after birth in some cases).
    >
    >
    > <snip>
    >
    > In which circumstances would there be a time limit?
    >
    > I have not registered my daughter's birth and she's over a year old now.
    >
    > Lucy
    >
    >

Alun

"J. J. Farrell" <> wrote in news:TZ2Rb.27178$1e.2519
@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:

    >
    > "JAJ" <> wrote in message
    > news:bv1bpj$dua$...
    >> All British citizens have 'right of abode' in the UK. However, there
    >> are some Canadians and citizens of other Commonwealth countries who also
    >> have 'right of abode' in the UK but do not have British citizenship.
    >
    > The first sentence is literally true, but doesn't tell the full story.
    > There are at least two types of citizenship associated with the UK.
    > One of these is "British Citizen" which gives right of abode in the UK.
    > Another is "British Overseas Citizen" which does not give right of abode
    > in the UK.
    >
    >
    >

There is also British Dependent Territories Citizen, also no right of abode
in UK.

Tam

On 27/1/04 13:57, in article Xns947D5B1105DC6elektrosmdonet@130.133.1.4,
"Alun" <> wrote:

    > There is also British Dependent Territories Citizen, also no right of abode
    > in UK.

You didn't read what was posted before or you might not have said that:


"3Â*Â*Conferral on British overseas territories citizens
Â*
Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*"(1) Any person who, immediately before the commencement of this
section, is a British overseas territories citizen shall, on the
commencement of this section, become a British citizen.
Â*
Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*"(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person who is a British
overseas territories citizen by virtue only of a connection with the
Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia."



http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2002/20008--a.htm#2Â*

Jaj

'British Dependent Territiories citizenship' (BDTC)was renamed to
'British overseas territories citizenship' on 26 February 2002.
BOTC in itself gives no right of abode in the UK, although a person who
is BOTC by connection with Gibralter can live in the UK under EEA rules
(if not also a British citizen).

Separately, on 21 May 2002, British citizenship was conferred on most
BOTCs who did not already have it (British citizenship had hitherto
generally been held only by Gibraltarians and Falkland Islanders). The
law was also changed to:
- allow anyone becoming a BOTC after 21 May 2002 to apply to register as
a British citizen,
- ensure that children born to British citizens in all the overseas
territories bar one from 21.5.2002 are British by birth automatically
(on the same basis as birth in the UK)

British citizenship and BOTC are separate statuses and can be held
concurrently.

Jeremy


Tam wrote:

    > On 27/1/04 13:57, in article Xns947D5B1105DC6elektrosmdonet@130.133.1.4,
    > "Alun" <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>There is also British Dependent Territories Citizen, also no right of abode
    >>in UK.
    >
    >
    > You didn't read what was posted before or you might not have said that:
    >
    >
    > "3 Conferral on British overseas territories citizens
    >
    > "(1) Any person who, immediately before the commencement of this
    > section, is a British overseas territories citizen shall, on the
    > commencement of this section, become a British citizen.
    >
    > "(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person who is a British
    > overseas territories citizen by virtue only of a connection with the
    > Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia."
    >
    >
    >
    > http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2002/20008--a.htm#2
    >
    >