Maore

> Why should you receive treatment different from the rest of us?
> Because you are French? British? Whatever?
>
> The FBI does not give information out to the general public. Period,
> end of story.
>
> You opted to apply for the DV. You had the choice to apply or not
> and you choose to do so. You are being treated just as everyone
> else, no better and no worse. If you don't want to take it, then
> stay in the UK.
>
> BTW it is not a blunder by the US Embassy. It would appear that there
> is a reason for administrative review of your petition. Be it because
> of your name and perhaps hits that occurred when run through the
> systems or your original nationality, or whatever, you are at the
> point you are at.
>
> And FYI, moderators are allowed to reply to posts in the same manner
> of posters. Their duties as moderators are to keep the troublemakers
> out, the language clean, and disciplining the wayward. BTW, I deleted
> your racial slur in a previous post. The N word might be allowed in
> France and the UK but it is not allowed on this board.

well read again my post ...

Maore

> Pro se it and it doesn't cost that much. BTW, if you want to
> understand how 'mericuns tick, you need go no further than Rete's
> posts on this very thread. While they definitely have a smattering of
> unique NY attitude mixed in, there is really no finer example of how
> we got in the mess we're in.

Thanks I am actually in the process of filing the civil action against
these guys - kind of late but hell that 's might give them a bit of
food for thoughts

Maore

> You are a non-US citizen living outside the US. What makes you think
> that you have any rights at all as far as the US is concerned? The US
> Constitution - with all of its rights and responsibilities - does not
> appy until you are actually *in* the US.
>
> You really are an irritating jerk. Before the wedding, did your wife
> know that you behaved this way?
>
> Ian

Have you actually gone through some sort of formal education curriculum
?
In case the answer yes -
http://judiciary.house.gov/Printshop.aspx?Section=1

read and learn !

Maore

> On Sep 4, 8:58 am, maore <member64...@nomx.britishexpats.com> wrote:
> > > Based on your comments above, you're going to get a rude awakening
> > > if/when you come to the US.
> >
> > > I get a sense that you expect better treatment than others in the
> > > same
> > > process.
> >
> > > Also, checking on your application every two weeks may in fact
> > > delay
> > > it. I can just imagine someone putting your paperwork at the
> > > bottom of
> > > the pile because you're being a "pain in the backside".
> >
> > NC Penguin I expect no better or worst treatment - I expect more
> > work
> > not on my case on all DV cases - as you may be aware we are paying a
> > lot
> > more money (double) for the visa processing which need to be done
> > within
> > a lmited time period - where does this money go ?
> >
> > IN my case it is not about if I will go to the US . it is about when
> > ,
> > because I was born in a country with quasi nill participation in DV
> > program - again my battle here is , I hate wasting money and the
> > london
> > consular needs to understand they are the first impressions/contacts
> > foreigner have with americans and their administrations.
>
> They already understand that well, of course. What makes you think
> they don't?
>
> > I do not think in the US the situation will be a rude awakening - I
> > am
> > expecting it but the difference is I will/do NOT STAND FOR IT as
> > soon as
> > my money come out from my pocket - pretty simple
>
> Then if you go to the USA you will have an endlessly frustrating life
> and will spend most of it in a very angry state. It's not a path that
> I'd choose.
>
> > It is not important to me if they see me as a pain in the backside -
> > instead I will work on them to see me as an applicant with certain
> > rights such as : right of information.
>
> You can spend your time in any legal way you wish; I hope you don't
> care about failing absolutely though.

Interesting question, here is my idealistic image of the US and its
people : straight-talker and go-getter basically a country where you get
things done and no one is scared of taking action.
My current impression of the US embassy of London is pretty mixed :

- Inefficient , 9 months to process a DV application and last minute
administrative processing. You will agree with me it could have been
done differently if someone somewhere had thought " hang on a minute
this is a DV application and we need to get this done before 30 Sept "

- Irresponsible , since Sept 11 staff in their own words staffs are too
scared to take decisions especially the wrong ones. Which means
sometimes they will push the decision making part of their job
somewhere else (FBI or Department of State)

- On the other hand, the staff are taking on a lot - it is just pure
madness to have the same person interviewing 10 non immigrant
applicants and 1-4 immigrant applicants within the same day.

- They have a small number of experienced staff - I have to admit I was
impressed by the lady who did the follow-up interview , she (chief
consular officer )went straight to the point which made the interview
pretty stress-free and opened .Compared to the first CO younger and
plainly rude in the sort of question he was asking.

The purpose of my initial thread which was sometimes misunderstood was
to let some steam off and initiate a discussion on how can a process
be improved: an Administrative review can not/should not be initiated
at the late stage/last minute of a visa application since all parties
are aware it is time consuming . Maybe I just do not see the bigger
picture here !

Noorah101

> Interesting question, here is my idealistic image of the US and its
> people : straight-talker and go-getter basically a country where you
> get things done and no one is scared of taking action.
> My current impression of the US embassy of London is pretty mixed :
>
> - Inefficient , 9 months to process a DV application and last minute
> administrative processing. You will agree with me it could have
> been done differently if someone somewhere had thought " hang on a
> minute this is a DV application and we need to get this done before
> 30 Sept "
>
> - Irresponsible , since Sept 11 staff in their own words staffs are
> too scared to take decisions especially the wrong ones. Which means
> sometimes they will push the decision making part of their job
> somewhere else (FBI or Department of State)
>
> - On the other hand, the staff are taking on a lot - it is just pure
> madness to have the same person interviewing 10 non immigrant
> applicants and 1-4 immigrant applicants within the same day.
>
> - They have a small number of experienced staff - I have to admit I
> was impressed by the lady who did the follow-up interview , she
> (chief consular officer )went straight to the point which made the
> interview pretty stress-free and opened .Compared to the first CO
> younger and plainly rude in the sort of question he was asking.
>
> The purpose of my initial thread which was sometimes misunderstood was
> to let some steam off and initiate a discussion on how can a process
> be improved: an Administrative review can not/should not be initiated
> at the late stage/last minute of a visa application since all parties
> are aware it is time consuming . Maybe I just do not see the bigger
> picture here !

You might take some comfort in knowing it's not only you having to go
through the administrative review. And it's not because you're a DV
winner. People going through all the different ways of immigrating are
subject to that same admin review, if it happens to them. I know people
who are still waiting for admin processing after a fiance visa interview
and a spouse visa interview. If you're up for admin review, they won't
take into any consideration the type of visa you are receiving or by
what method you got (or are getting) that visa.

Best Wishes,
Rene

J. J. Farrell

On Sep 11, 5:45 pm, maore <member64...@nomx.britishexpats.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 4, 8:58 am, maore <member64...@nomx.britishexpats.com> wrote:
> > > > Based on your comments above, you're going to get a rude awakening
> > > > if/when you come to the US.
>
> > > > I get a sense that you expect better treatment than others in the
> > > > same
> > > > process.
>
> > > > Also, checking on your application every two weeks may in fact
> > > > delay
> > > > it. I can just imagine someone putting your paperwork at the
> > > > bottom of
> > > > the pile because you're being a "pain in the backside".
>
> > > NC Penguin I expect no better or worst treatment - I expect more
> > > work
> > > not on my case on all DV cases - as you may be aware we are paying a
> > > lot
> > > more money (double) for the visa processing which need to be done
> > > within
> > > a lmited time period - where does this money go ?
>
> > > IN my case it is not about if I will go to the US . it is about when
> > > ,
> > > because I was born in a country with quasi nill participation in DV
> > > program - again my battle here is , I hate wasting money and the
> > > london
> > > consular needs to understand they are the first impressions/contacts
> > > foreigner have with americans and their administrations.
>
> > They already understand that well, of course. What makes you think
> > they don't?
>
> > > I do not think in the US the situation will be a rude awakening - I
> > > am
> > > expecting it but the difference is I will/do NOT STAND FOR IT as
> > > soon as
> > > my money come out from my pocket - pretty simple
>
> > Then if you go to the USA you will have an endlessly frustrating life
> > and will spend most of it in a very angry state. It's not a path that
> > I'd choose.
>
> > > It is not important to me if they see me as a pain in the backside -
> > > instead I will work on them to see me as an applicant with certain
> > > rights such as : right of information.
>
> > You can spend your time in any legal way you wish; I hope you don't
> > care about failing absolutely though.
>
> Interesting question, here is my idealistic image of the US and its
> people : straight-talker and go-getter basically a country where you get
> things done and no one is scared of taking action.
> My current impression of the US embassy of London is pretty mixed :
>
> - Inefficient , 9 months to process a DV application and last minute
> administrative processing. You will agree with me it could have been
> done differently if someone somewhere had thought " hang on a minute
> this is a DV application and we need to get this done before 30 Sept "

I imagine it's done this way in the interests of efficiency. The
'administrative processing' (depending on exactly what they're doing)
is currently one of the biggest hold-ups in the process, taking up to
3 years or more in some cases. If they started it early in the overall
application process, they'd be doing checks for many applications
which would get rejected during normal processing anyway. I guess it's
considered more efficient to make sure everything else is OK before
adding to the pile awaiting extra processing. Why does it have to be
done before 30 Sept? Since the administrative processing can take
years, there'd be no guarantee of achieving that whenever they
started.

> - Irresponsible , since Sept 11 staff in their own words staffs are too
> scared to take decisions especially the wrong ones. Which means
> sometimes they will push the decision making part of their job
> somewhere else (FBI or Department of State)
>
> - On the other hand, the staff are taking on a lot - it is just pure
> madness to have the same person interviewing 10 non immigrant
> applicants and 1-4 immigrant applicants within the same day.
>
> - They have a small number of experienced staff - I have to admit I was
> impressed by the lady who did the follow-up interview , she (chief
> consular officer )went straight to the point which made the interview
> pretty stress-free and opened .Compared to the first CO younger and
> plainly rude in the sort of question he was asking.
>
> The purpose of my initial thread which was sometimes misunderstood was
> to let some steam off and initiate a discussion on how can a process
> be improved: an Administrative review can not/should not be initiated
> at the late stage/last minute of a visa application since all parties
> are aware it is time consuming . Maybe I just do not see the bigger
> picture here !

There are obviously countless ways in which the process could be
improved, but there's little point discussing them here. This is the
way USA bureaucracy works and has for many decades. Equivalent
bureaucracies in other countries are sometimes far better and
sometimes far worse.