Steve Dufour

Americans oppose increase in immigration


By Stephen Dinan
THE WASHINGTON TIMES



Most Americans adamantly oppose both increasing the amount of
legal immigration to the United States and legalizing those immigrants
now here illegally, the two key elements in President Bush's
immigration overhaul proposal.
On no other foreign policy issue do average Americans disagree
more with government and business leaders and other "elites" than on
immigration.
"The number of people who want immigration increased is very
small," said Steven A. Camarota, research director for the Center for
Immigration Studies. "If 55 or 60 percent of the public wants less
immigration, a third wants it the same and 7 percent wants it more â€

Ipod

GOP Defies Clinton on Illegal Aliens
NewsMax.com Wires
Friday, Oct. 27, 2000
WASHINGTON (UPI) - President Clinton wants amnesty for all illegal aliens
who arrived before 1986, but House Republicans are standing up to him.
Republicans suspect that Democrats want citizenship for a flood of Latino
illegal aliens because they likely would become Democrat voters.

The showdown over immigration seems destined to result in a presidential
veto.

That scenario comes in the midst of an 11th-hour maneuver by both sides to
score victories on the last pieces of legislation to pass before the Nov. 7
election.

Republicans were moving legislation through Congress on Thursday that would
include funding for the Commerce, Justice and State departments. The bills
included Republican-drafted language on immigration. Clinton has said he
would veto the entire package because the GOP proposals fall far short of
Democrats' "immigration goals."

Rep. Martin Frost, D-Texas, called the funding bill "nothing more than veto
bait."

As bipartisan negotiations continued, Clinton on Wednesday warned he would
veto the funding bill if it did not contain what he wanted.

"My administration has been trying to negotiate with Republicans, but
unfortunately, current Republican proposals would perpetuate the current
patchwork of contradictory and unfair immigration policies," Clinton
claimed.

"If these issues are not resolved, I will veto the Commerce, Justice, State
appropriations."

Democrat Open-Door Policy for Illegal Aliens

But GOP legislators moved forward and inserted the Legal Immigration Family
Equity proposal into the funding bill Thursday. They portrayed the
Democrats' legislation as an open-door policy for millions of illegal aliens
at the expense of legal immigration.

"Unlike other measures, our plan does not provide relief to those who have
violated our laws at the expense of those who have played by the rules,"
said Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah.

Democrats have sought passage of their so-called Latino and Immigrant
Fairness bill, which would grant amnesty to illegal aliens from Honduras,
Guatemala, Haiti and El Salvador who arrived before Dec. 1, 1995.

Immigrants from Nicaragua and Cuba have already received such consideration
through legislation passed by the Republican-led Congress in 1996.

It would also update the immigration "registry date" that allows illegal
aliens to apply for legal citizenship after 14 years in the United States.
President Ronald Reagan last updated it in 1986, but the effective date,
1972, has not changed since then.

Clinton also wants Congress to adjust immigration rules to allow family
members of U.S. citizens to stay in the country while they wait to become
citizens.

The GOP version is designed to speed the citizenship process for illegal
aliens seeking legal status. Republicans say more than 3.5 million people
are waiting to immigrate to the United States, and about 1 million of those
applicants are spouses and children of permanent residents.

Republicans propose creating a new type of visa that would allow illegal
aliens who are relatives of U.S. citizens to stay in the country while
awaiting legal status. Republicans said 600,000 people would receive the new
visas over the next three years.

The GOP alternative headed to Clinton's desk would also speed citizenship
procedures for about 400,000 immigrants denied citizenship because of a
notorious error by the Immigration and Naturalization Service back in 1982.

But the Republican proposal does nothing to extend the legal rights of
Nicaraguans and Cubans to illegal aliens from Honduras, Guatemala, Haiti and
El Salvador. The Republican measure also does not update the so-called
registry date, which had been updated relatively regularly between 1929 and
Reagan's update in 1986.

Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said the Republican proposal would cover only 10
percent of the illegal aliens targeted in the Latino Immigration Fairness
bill.

"What we have talked about is parity," Durbin said of the Democrat
initiative. "Treat the refugees from Honduras, Guatemala, Haiti and El
Salvador just as you treat those from Nicaragua and Cuba."

The likely veto comes as Congress struggles to finish off its work passing
the annual spending bills that were due Oct. 1. Congress is using a series
of 24-hour funding bills known as continuing resolutions to keep the
government running.

Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss., said earlier this week that
Congress could conceivably finish its work by Friday night. That possibility
seems particularly remote given the likely veto.

August1229

Asked in a poll, they will oppose it, sure. But in the long run, they don't
care much. And anyone they know personally that they like, they complain if
that person has problems. Americans in general like immigrants personally, but
not in the abstract.

Observer

Wrong, I care.

I and friends are going to call our US Senators and Representatives and let
them know that we oppose any law that grant any form of amnesty to illegal
immigrant.


"August1229" <> wrote in message
news:...
    > Asked in a poll, they will oppose it, sure. But in the long run, they
don't
    > care much. And anyone they know personally that they like, they complain
if
    > that person has problems. Americans in general like immigrants
personally, but
    > not in the abstract.

¡666

Yup... Terror Alert Level HIGH and...

talk of legalizing 10 to 18 MILLION illegal felons and THEIR FAMILIES!

A bit much.

Steve Dufour wrote:

    > Americans oppose increase in immigration
    > By Stephen Dinan
    > THE WASHINGTON TIMES
    > Most Americans adamantly oppose both increasing the amount of
    > legal immigration to the United States and legalizing those immigrants
    > now here illegally, the two key elements in President Bush's
    > immigration overhaul proposal.
    > On no other foreign policy issue do average Americans disagree
    > more with government and business leaders and other "elites" than on
    > immigration.
    > "The number of people who want immigration increased is very
    > small," said Steven A. Camarota, research director for the Center for
    > Immigration Studies. "If 55 or 60 percent of the public wants less
[q1]> immigration, a third wants it the same and 7 percent wants it more â€

Kopys

So Observer -

you would rather have jobs move out of the US then and loose
purchasing power for Americans?

"observer" <> wrote in message news:<3wgLb.38535$>...
    > Wrong, I care.
    >
    > I and friends are going to call our US Senators and Representatives and let
    > them know that we oppose any law that grant any form of amnesty to illegal
    > immigrant.
    >
    >
    > "August1229" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > Asked in a poll, they will oppose it, sure. But in the long run, they
    > don't
    > > care much. And anyone they know personally that they like, they complain
    > if
    > > that person has problems. Americans in general like immigrants
    > personally, but
    > > not in the abstract.
    > >
    > >

Kocourkov

Purchasing power arguments being put forward by people who don't even
understand the term. America needs to save, cut government spending and
cut trade deficits. All the low paid illegals in the world won't be able
to put that right if the crap hits the fan and the US economy starts
doing what the Argentine economy did.



Why support people who've deliberately broken the law while others
have to wait? No, this proposal by Chimpy should finally get some of
you to pull your heads out of the sand and see what's really going on
around you.

Observer

Why would I want to give up my job to an illegal alien who is willing to
take 50% off my pay check? Illegal aliens are going to lower my purchasing
power NOT the other way around.


"Kopys" <> wrote in message
news:...
    > So Observer -
    > you would rather have jobs move out of the US then and loose
    > purchasing power for Americans?
    > "observer" <> wrote in message
news:<3wgLb.38535$>...
    > > Wrong, I care.
    > >
    > > I and friends are going to call our US Senators and Representatives and
let
    > > them know that we oppose any law that grant any form of amnesty to
illegal
    > > immigrant.
    > >
    > >
    > > "August1229" <> wrote in message
    > > news:...
    > > > Asked in a poll, they will oppose it, sure. But in the long run, they
    > > don't
    > > > care much. And anyone they know personally that they like, they
complain
    > > if
    > > > that person has problems. Americans in general like immigrants
    > > personally, but
    > > > not in the abstract.
    > > >
    > > >

Supernav

Trust me. American restaurants and grocery stores and department stores
can't wait for Bush's announcements.



All the $9-$15/hr waitresses, chefs and clerks will all be layed off
overnight and replaced with legal $5.50/hr mexicans.



There won't be a SINGLE american-born worker in any of those service
stores in any of the 50 states.



Good god it's gonna get ugly.



(think about it. Why would you have 80 employees in walmart making
$12/hr, when there's 3,000 mexicans outside your door now with valid
gc's willing to work for min. wage?).



-= nav =-

Roger

Washington Times = Moonie Bullshit


"Steve Dufour" <> wrote in message
news:...
    > Americans oppose increase in immigration
    > By Stephen Dinan
    > THE WASHINGTON TIMES
    > Most Americans adamantly oppose both increasing the amount of
    > legal immigration to the United States and legalizing those immigrants
    > now here illegally, the two key elements in President Bush's
    > immigration overhaul proposal.
    > On no other foreign policy issue do average Americans disagree
    > more with government and business leaders and other "elites" than on
    > immigration.
    > "The number of people who want immigration increased is very
    > small," said Steven A. Camarota, research director for the Center for
    > Immigration Studies. "If 55 or 60 percent of the public wants less
    > immigration, a third wants it the same and 7 percent wants it more -
    > [Mr. Bush] is going for that 7 percent."
    > The issue cuts across party lines, but already yesterday opponents
    > in Congress were lining up.
    > Mr. Bush proposed allowing illegal aliens already in the United
    > States and foreign residents to apply for legal work status here, as
    > long as an employer has certified he would employ the person and no
    > U.S. worker is readily available.
    > The president also proposed increasing the level of overall legal
    > immigration, and though he didn't specifically guarantee that the
    > guest workers would get legal permanent residence, members of Congress
    > said they expect the two will have to be tied together somehow.
    > But a Gallup poll from June found only 13 percent of Americans
    > thought immigration should be increased, while 47 percent said it
    > should be reduced and 37 percent said it should be kept at its present
    > level.
    > Opposition has remained high for several years. A Zogby poll from
    > 2002 found that 58 percent of Americans wanted to reduce immigration,
    > 65 percent disagreed with amnesty and 68 percent felt the United
    > States should deploy military troops to the border to curb illegal
    > immigration.
    > Meanwhile, 60 percent of Americans believe present immigration
    > levels are a "critical threat to the vital interests of the United
    > States." But when the poll asked the same question of government
    > officials, business leaders and journalists, only 14 percent thought
    > so.
    > When asked whether immigration levels should be kept the same,
    > increased or reduced, 55 percent of Americans opted for a reduction,
    > while 18 percent of the poll's sample of "elites" thought so,
    > according to an analysis by the Center for Immigration Studies.
    > Also, proposals that are seen as soft on illegal immigrants have
    > come back to bite politicians before.
    > Just last year, California Gov. Gray Davis was hurt in his bid to
    > stave off a recall when he signed a bill to let illegal immigrants
    > obtain state driver's licenses. The new governor, Arnold
    > Schwarzenegger, pushed a repeal of that provision through the
    > legislature.
    > An exit poll commissioned by the Federation for American
    > Immigration Reform showed that 30 percent of California voters said
    > they were somewhat or much more likely to vote against Mr. Davis
    > because he signed the law. Only 8 percent of voters were somewhat or
    > much more likely to support him because of it.
    > "How did Davis get it so wrong?" Mr. Camarota said. "The reason
    > is, he and people like George Bush live in an echo chamber of elites,
    > where the received wisdom on immigration is all the same."
    > "But once you get out of the Beltway, or leave the offices of the
    > Chamber of Commerce, the number of people in the U.S. who think it's a
    > good idea to give legal status to illegal aliens, or more generally to
    > increase immigration, is very small," Mr. Camarota said.
    > Still, guest-worker proponents say that if they get a chance to
    > explain their plans, they can win over the public.
    > "The difference here is some people see this being portrayed by
    > the Pat Buchanans of the world as launching a new wave of immigration,
    > whereas we see it more as acknowledging the wave that has already
    > happened," said Rep. Jeff Flake, Arizona Republican, who is sponsoring
    > one of the leading guest-worker proposals pending in Congress.
    > His proposal, which he is sponsoring along with two fellow Arizona
    > Republicans - Sen. John McCain and Rep. Jim Kolbe - would allow an
    > illegal alien to pay a fine and apply for legal work status and after
    > completing two terms, they could apply for permanent legal residence.
    > Mr. Flake pointed to a poll of Arizona voters that found after Mr.
    > Flake's proposal was explained, it garnered 59 percent support. The
    > poll was conducted by KAET-TV and the Walter Cronkite School of
    > Journalism and Mass Communication at Arizona State University.
    > And Don Stewart, spokesman for Sen. John Cornyn, the Texas
    > Republican who has his own guest-worker program pending in the Senate,
    > said he expects the public perception to change now that the president
    > has put something specific on the table.
    > "People have been polling in the abstract, now they're polling on
    > something specific, and the numbers will change accordingly," Mr.
    > Stewart said. Mr. Bush's guest-worker proposal closely tracks the bill
    > Mr. Cornyn is sponsoring in the Senate.
    > Even proponents like Mr. Kolbe said they don't expect to pass
    > their bill this year.
    > "It's probably likely we will not see legislative action before
    > 2005," he said.
    > Rep. Steve King, Iowa Republican and an opponent of the proposals,
    > said sufficient opposition exists among rank-and-file Republicans on
    > key committees that Mr. Bush would have to make a serious effort to
    > convince Congress to act.
    > "I think it'll take a push from leadership, and it just depends on
    > whether the president can put enough leverage on the speaker and on
    > [House Majority Leader] Tom DeLay," Mr. King said.
    > Mr. King said whatever happens, he and other Republicans will
    > fight it.
    > "I can tell you it will be a gloves-off fight all the way
    > through," he said.
    > Mr. DeLay last night said he supports a guest-worker program to
    > grow the economy and enhance security, but said he remains "skeptical
    > that [Mr. Bush´s plan] constitutes sound public policy."
    > "I applaud President Bush for his leadership and courage in
    > addressing this complex and difficult issue, but I have heartfelt
    > concerns about allowing illegal immigrants into a U.S. guest-worker
    > program because it seems to reward illegal behavior," he said.